DamageINC Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 I'm actually gonna put my neck out on the chopping block here though and bring up a situation where I will *always* leave a bolt out... primarily because Ford has been leaving the same bolt out from the factory now. That forward-most lower power steering pump bolt that threads into the timing cover on the 2-valve and 3-valve Mod motors. What a terrible fucking design that was. I used to remember hating dealing with those things, and then I started noticing how many of these vehicles were coming off the delivery trucks with that bolt suddenly being "absent". Haven't re-installed one since I realized they weren't being installed anymore at the factory. I can say that's really the only one I'm guilty of though. Feel kinda bad for doing it but apparently engineering has determined it's not an issue either, lol.. It absolutely does amaze me though when I hear about some of the practices that others do on a regular basis. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Where's my AX! OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!! Actually it is a real pain in the ass. I would take that bolt out last using an ratcheting box wrench allowing the pump to draw away from the engine as it loosened. I haven't had the pleasure of dealing with one for some time. Wow, I really am a diesel bitch! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crybaby2.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekanik Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 That forward-most lower power steering pump bolt that threads into the timing cover on the 2-valve and 3-valve Mod motors. What a terrible fucking design that was. I used to remember hating dealing with those things, and then I started noticing how many of these vehicles were coming off the delivery trucks with that bolt suddenly being "absent". Haven't re-installed one since I realized they weren't being installed anymore at the factory. I don't know if I would do that. I totally agree that 3 bolts will be just fine, but I don't think I would be comfortable doing that. I always think, what if this vehicle ended up at another shop. What would those guys think about this. That would be enough for me to put that 4th bolt on the power steering pump. I used to work with a guy that would replace an exaust manifold in a 3.0l Taurus with only half the bolts. He said he never had a problem. Just going to another shop could be a problem when they tell the customer that his manifold is only being held on by 3 bolts. I have to say that I laugh every time I put a turbo on a 6.0l, and I'm making sure I tightened all the bolts. I mean, except for the 03's they usally come in with only bolt holding it to the engine. NOT THAT I WOULD EVER INSTALL A TURBO WITH ONLY 1 BOLT. No hard feelings Jim. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 On the 6.0L e-van, the power steering has 4 bolts holding it on. The superduty trucks have only 3, what makes the difference? I cant count how many 05+ 6.0's ive had come in with the front passenger side turbo bolt laying in the valley during an inspection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 The PS pump bolts rarely seem to make rhyme nor reason.... three bolts - four bolts... All I can see is that if it comes from the factory with one less bolt - we will either see that the engineers have signed off on the change or Ford will have to pony up for any oversight.... I we unilaterally decide to leave a fastener out with no engineer signing off on it and without Fords blessing - where are we leaving ourselves? I think most of have seen the missing turbo bolt.... some of have seen more than one missing turbo bolt - on trucks that have never had any service in that area.... How about the missing EGR cooler bolt? How about the bolts under the floor mats - these bolts have no home... Or the missing bolts we notice during repairs???? What it boils down to..... If I see a missing bolt - I install one (unless it is <that> PS pump bolt)..... and I note that on the RO, make a punch for it and try to make myself look like a hero for being conscientious. That bolt is somebody elses missing bolt... IT AIN'T MY MISSING BOLT!!!!! And it goes back to something I've been saying all along.... Be <THE MAN>... be conscientious.... strive for perfection.... get in peoples faces over it. Be all that you can be... and reap the rewards. Your future is all about YOU.... but you wont do it without having customers and staff on your side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbriggs Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 What it boils down to..... If I see a missing bolt - I install one (unless it is <that> PS pump bolt)..... and I note that on the RO, make a punch for it and try to make myself look like a hero for being conscientious. That bolt is somebody elses missing bolt... IT AIN'T MY MISSING BOLT!!!!! And it goes back to something I've been saying all along.... Be <THE MAN>... be conscientious.... strive for perfection.... get in peoples faces over it. Be all that you can be... and reap the rewards. Your future is all about YOU.... but you wont do it without having customers and staff on your side. I agree Jim, Couldn't be said better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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