Jim Warman Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 So... I'm doing the EGR cooler on an 03. (Retail job... an engine installed recently by another (non Ford) shop.... I knew it was an 03 from the moment I got the RO.... and there was "something" about the job that wasn't ringing true.... I unplugged the ICP from the right valve cover and wondered about the long, taped harness running from the connector to a take out near the FICM connector.... oblivious, I was... When I removed the turbo and I saw that the rear bolt was vertical.... it never dawned on me... When I pulled the intake off and started to realize that the cooler was square.... hmmmmm... The box that parts gave me had "3C3Z" as a prefix.... SHEEIT!!! A late motor in an early truck.... I wonder what other tricks some of the less conventional shops are going to dream up for us to deal with.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 i would of guessed the late motor just by the possitioning of the icp sensor,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted February 15, 2008 Author Share Posted February 15, 2008 The point is..... I, too, recognize the late motor from these features.... However, when you work on a great variety of these during the course of a day or a week or a month... you gain a familiarity that will not often ring any alarms. It is quite natural for us to expect an ICP to be in one of two places... without having the penny drop immediately if something like this is "wrong". Just as often, our right front ICP (or lack of it) can be masked by that nifty little VMac sitting in the way... or how about that run of 05s that didn't have a MAF??? Where, oh where is the EBP? Sometimes a guy has to look first. Most everyone contributing to this august body of knowledge and experience has a very intense, very intimate relationship with this engine. Our days aren't filled with "trying shit to see what it does"... Our days are filled with engines that are either doing something they shouldn't... or NOT doing something they should... Through knowledge, experience and talent, these guys will take an ailing motor and nurse it back to life. There are those that don't give these techs credit for those things they know... those things they learn by applying their talents, wisdom, logic and experience. I don't think that there's anybody that knows these engines better than them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/banghead.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/banghead.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/banghead.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/banghead.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/drinkingdude.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/drinkingdude.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/drinkingdude.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crybaby2.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crybaby2.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crybaby2.gif Fuck! Here we go Jim. Out of all the back yard Mickey Mouse, Butcher, No mind, hacks I get an 04' Truck that originally had an 04' engine in it and now has an 03' engine in it that was done at of all places another Ford dealership within twenty minutes of me. This customer lives in this town and is a local at our local Indy shop. He had it all chipped, studded and pimped and had the EGR pipes welded shut before he blew three pistons out of it. He used to come around here probing for information and I ignored him as much as I could. He settled for this $2500.00 engine because he couldn't afford the Ford reman. Now this piece of shit is not running right and surging and farting and he wants me to look at it. I ran from it like a scared cat with a big ass dog on my ass. What in the hell is a Ford dealership thinking, pulling shit like this off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I had a guy coming in today, "requesting" that I "fix" his fuel leaks on his 7.3L supply and return lines to the engine by cutting out the rusted through section and using rubber hoses and clamps. He didn't want to pay more than $200 for the total repair. Meanwhile, he has six aftermarket aluminum rims that don't look more than a week old. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/icon_crazy.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 But it looks good doesn't it, ahhh just fix it for free. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/banghead.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 Here's the rub, Larry.... someone out there is going to bitch fix it for cheap. When that repair shits the bed, ALL techs will be a matter of scorn... And the real conumdrum... even though the last repair attempt didn't last, the proper repair attempt will have the owner saying something like "the last guy didn't want that much..." or "Geez... I already paid a bunch of money for that and now you want more????"... Yes... I had a shitty day.... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. Bedford Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Tech next to me is doing head gaskets on a late '03 F-350(ICP in the rocker cover). Got the cab off and first thing we noticed is, it has a '03 turbo on a '04 pedestal bracket. One of the other dealers in the area put a turbo on last year. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Jim, how did the bastardized engine you were working on turn out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekanik Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 If you don't want it fixed right, I don't want anything to do with it. If you had some hack butcher up your truck, I really don't want to deal with that either. a late model truck with an early 6.0 sounds like a total nightmare. let those guys take it back to the Hacky-Shack that did it in the first place. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/2cents.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted March 19, 2008 Author Share Posted March 19, 2008 If you don't want it fixed right, I don't want anything to do with it. If you had some hack butcher up your truck, I really don't want to deal with that either. a late model truck with an early 6.0 sounds like a total nightmare. let those guys take it back to the Hacky-Shack that did it in the first place. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/2cents.gif Now the penny is dropping.... These things are coming off warranty in droves.... These things are spendy to fix the right way.... Many of these things are going to land in your bays as "unfixables" by independant shops.... But not before that independant bleeds the owner dry with hacks, bitch-fixes and any other number of "non-standard" repairs. This has the chance of turning any estimate into a nightmare.... It is difficult to look professional if we are to keep calling the customer saying "Oh, by the way...". Be aware that these "non-standard" repairs ARE being made.... Realize that they have the possibility of putting your repair estimate into a place you don't want it to go.... Know that we will see more and more of them as time passes.... Not only will be be expected to learn all the new stuff coming "down the pipe".... we may have to learn what depths others may stoop to trying to reinvent the wheel... In effect... stuff coming UP the pipe.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 If you don't want it fixed right, I don't want anything to do with it. If you had some hack butcher up your truck, I really don't want to deal with that either. a late model truck with an early 6.0 sounds like a total nightmare. let those guys take it back to the Hacky-Shack that did it in the first place. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/2cents.gif Couldn't have said it better myself. We don't need any "painful wedding ring syndromes". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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