eastendpowerstroke Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I understand that FMC dealer has a topic about this but I don't want to read through the pile of crap to got to the meat of the problem. That being said how many of us have had an issue besides me,I got two in a row, one I couldn't move one would move if i used pliers. in order to get the customers truck back to him after three days trying to get parts I "DISCOVERED" that the unison ring was cracked and it needed a turbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekanik Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 The unison ring on the new CHRA was cracked? I have not replaced a CHRA yet. The one vehicle that was going to get one got a whole turbo because the CHRAs weren't avail. yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff_E Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 No, that's not what David is saying. The CHRA doesn't come with a unison ring, and after getting 2 bad CHRA assemblies, he needed to find justification to replace the whole turbo and move on with his life. I would do the same in that situation...and then get some Molsons Canadian Lager to drown my sorrows. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/drinkingdude.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastendpowerstroke Posted March 7, 2008 Author Share Posted March 7, 2008 No, that's not what David is saying. The CHRA doesn't come with a unison ring, and after getting 2 bad CHRA assemblies, he needed to find justification to replace the whole turbo and move on with his life. I would do the same in that situation...and then get some Molsons Canadian Lager to drown my sorrows. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/drinkingdude.gifDING DING Jeff wins the perception awardafter wasting days with junk parts I "noticed" /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif that if I put the unison ring in a vice and pushed on it, it had a "previously unseen" /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif crack in it /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/hahaha.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/ford.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekanik Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/boink3.gif Ok, I see. I feel stupid for not catching that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Yeah Garrett still has not released the parts to me. I check OE connection today and very few dealers have them, mostly Reviva and some of the Distributors but not many dealers. For me to buy them from Ford not cost effective(@ $585.00), but I do have a lot of core and can rebuild them for less. As for the piston ring we are working on that right now. We have a guy that works on ambulances and has been sending them to us for rebuild, he's been real happy with them so far. We are looking for more core...Any out there??? We can probably work with most of you guys on rebuilding them $ wise and still give a better Warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff_E Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Well Larry, I don't know if I'd be so eager to order these things. My dealership has gotten 3 of them, and 2 were seized. My parts manager called Ford and talked to some "engineer" /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rolleyes.gif about the issue, and told us that supposedly they free up after beating on the truck for a while. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/icon_crazy.gif Not wanting to be a guinea pig, I rejected the seized ones anyway. Has anyone tried this theory of "beating on the truck" long enough to free up one that is seized??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Well talked to Garrett today, and still they won't release the parts to me yet, but still working on it. It has to be killing Ford having to charge the dealers $593.00+ dollars for a CHRA that isn't worth a shit. We came across a bunch of good core to use for parts but its running out pretty quick. So far have had good luck with the rebuilds but without parts we can't do it. Anybody got core to sell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cochran Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Larry, you might contact Franklin Power out of Indianapolis. They are the authorized reman center for lots of International stuff (recently sold out to Caterpillar, but still in the ITEC reman business). Don't know what they have on hand, but at one point they were absolutely buried in turbo cores for the 6.0L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Larry, you might contact Franklin Power out of Indianapolis. They were absolutely buried in turbo cores for the 6.0L. Franklin Power Products in Franklin, Indiana, about 20 miles south of Indy. I've taught there a couple of times and yes, they were buried in turbos to the tune of 10,000 cores IIRC, stacked as high and far as the eye can see. They are a reman center and are remanning them, though. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Quote: (recently sold out to Caterpillar, but still in the ITEC reman business) Are you telling me that Cat is doing the re-builds on these turbos? If they are they are doing a piss poor job as to the amount of sticking problems we are seeing. The bad thing about this is that these are Garrett turbos and are only releasing them to the OE's. We have a very good reputation on our rebuilds and have not seen the comebacks(my turbo rebuild guys back in the shop have been with us for years and are very good at what they do)that Ford has had, what kind of answer is beat on the turbo for a while??? I will try to get a hold of Franklin, and let you guys know what I come up with. Thanks Guys!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 They are also doing p!ss poor remans on engines Larry. Man, I have seen some crap from them. I had one cyl head that I had replaced that gave me 0 psi compression in cyl#1. Had a bad valve and seat. It looked like someone took a hammer and a punch to the seat. You could see daylight through it with the valve closed. Now when I pull the heads out of the box, I turn them upside down and spray penetrating oil around the valve to see if it will disapear. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/scratchhead.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/banghead.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 This is just some of the things that make the dealers look bad...When customers bring them in they expect to pay more but at the same time, get the best parts and service. Makes our jobs really tough,(Wait a minute I think I said this before...). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Has anyone noticed that the detailed inspection sheet comes with the new CHRA? I ordered one and read that sheet, and what do you know.....after the detailed check i needed a turbo because i had crank slot wear. Now why on God's green earth would they put that sheet in the CHRA box that you have to order? Shouldn't it be with the TSB in the inspection part of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastendpowerstroke Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 Nope never noticed that. The first of the two CHRA's I got made it to my bench and I couldn't move the pivot,back to the parts counter it went the second never left the parts counter before I rejected the thought of being Fords control group, test mule, lab rat, scape goat, whipping boy, or guni pig. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cover.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/fouet3.gif How much time will it pay to do it twice if you can't "beat" the new CHRA into working. and how many do you think they will service install before they bounce claims for repeat repairs and your fixing there screwed up parts for free??? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/scratchhead.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Heres the problem I have...i put a new turbo on after diaging a P2262....I can't get over .04psi of boost on the turbo test. I've tried everything...if this is a seized new turbo imma be pissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Which way do you put 'em in the vise? With the flat side of the ring facing the floor, so it takes the ring out of shape and breaks it in the center? Put a rag around it to keep the jaw marks off the sides? My favorite thing is the tag that comes in the NEW turbo box. DO NOT DISASSEMBLE THE TURBOCHARGER ASSEMBLY. Ford knows better than Garret, i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Clayton Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Quote: Has anyone tried this theory of "beating on the truck" long enough to free up one that is seized??????? I've put about 14 of these things in and it's been 50/50. I've yet to take one back to the parts counter or out of the truck. I try to move it by hand on the bench, if it wont move I get my small hammer and tap it back and forth thru it's motion of travel. Once she's all together she gets the dog piss driven out of 'er. All diesels that I drive get pounded on during my post test drive, and the customer is welcome to ride along. My test drive includes 8 miles up a winding road posted at 40 mph then back down the interstate which parallels the backroad to the shop. I wind it right up to the limiter once I'm on I-91 and I have had some hit 105 mph pretty damn quick. Just put one in an '06 tow truck today with only 1330 miles on the odometer. I guess they can't last forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 anyone know the part number for thr chra and what years are availible thanks Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff_E Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 3C3Z-9G489-AARM Center Housing (Clamp Plate) - 2003 F-Super Duty/Excursion 3C3Z-9G489-BARM Center Housing - (Bolted w/o Clamp Plate) 2003 F-Super Duty/Excursion 4C3Z-9G489-AARM Center Housing - 2004-2005 F-Super Duty (Built before 11/4/2004), E-350/450, And Excursion (Built before 1/10/2005) 5C3Z-9G489-AARM Center Housing - 2005 Excursion (Built after 1/10/2005), 2005-2007 F-Super Duty (Built after 11/4/2004) And 2005-2008 E-350/450 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Got reply from Garrett on the chra's they are having problems with them to, keep tuned..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Got reply from Garrett on the chra's they are having problems with them to, keep tuned..... Is Duramax or Cummins having this problem with their VGT turbo's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Not a lot of Duramax problems with the turbos, as for Cummins we have been seeing alot of the ISX and ISM turbo failures, not much on the ISB'S yet. See alot of Series 60 failures, and starting to see more of the Mercedes too. And of course Ford/IH go without saying.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Not a lot of Duramax problems with the turbos, as for Cummins we have been seeing alot of the ISX and ISM turbo failures, not much on the ISB'S yet. See alot of Series 60 failures, and starting to see more of the Mercedes too. And of course Ford/IH go without saying.... So what is duramax doing to not have their turbo's seize up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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