DwayneGorniak Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 What are you guys using out there and how well do they work? Anyone using the OTC? Especially when it comes to flipping these things upside down and doing bed plate and crankshaft jobs. Maybe some pics? We just went from jack stands to one that was made at our local welding shop. What a Biotch to handle. I call it our Home made arm stretcher. http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=384 http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=385&cat=500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 We have the OTC with the crank. THe Rotunda label has the tool number on it - 014-00106 - really stable. I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 That's the one I have been trying to get this dealership to buy for tha last three years Keith. But they like to do things cheap here. $1600.00 is too much when they can spend $750.00 and let the tech worry about the top heavy engine. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif I have to strip the engine too. If I try turning it over with the intake on, it hits the intake. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff_ Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Norco makes a comparable engine stand to the Rotunda for less $$$ check this out: Norco Engine Stand The stand usually goes for about a $1000 depending on where you buy it, and you can also opt for the Ford adapter kit which bolts right to the motor mount holes Norco Stand #78200 Ford adapter kit #78201 Here is a quick link to a distributor: Norco Distributor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Jeff those engine adapters are really nice to have. I remember the 6.oL literature at Ford Service training had a printout for the 6.0L adapters and they were for the Norco stand. My OTC stand is sweet but I have to use universal adapters which can be a pain to set up. Needless to say I don't have any nifty engine specific adapters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff_ Posted March 13, 2008 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Quote: Ford Service training had a printout for the 6.0L adapters and they were for the Norco stand. My OTC stand is sweet but I have to use universal adapters which can be a pain to set up. Needless to say I don't have any nifty engine specific adapters. Yeah, I learned about the wonders of Norco at Ford School too. Unfortunately I don't have the adapters either because my dealer has 2 Rotunda stands. It's usually not a big deal though because we just keep the universal adapters positioned for a 6.0 and they generally stay pretty close to where they need to be...Unless one of those pesky tranny guys decide to mess up my work and convert it into a Torqshift holding fixture /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/boink3.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vloney Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Our dealership has been lucky so far. We haven't had a bedplate or lower end issue yet. I've been telling the SM our luck can't hold out forever, and he'd better be looking into purchasing one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted March 14, 2008 Author Share Posted March 14, 2008 Jeff, thanks alot for the Norco link. My assistant service manager is going to push for the stand for me. She made a very valid point today. She said that with the amount of parts and labour that ford won't pay for because of the extra work I have to do to repair one of these engines on a stand that doesn't work worth a damn, our dealership would have saved tons more money by buying the proper stand in the first fargin place. Not to mention the fact that the engines sit extremely top heavy on our stand and one big guy cannot handle all that top heavy weight by himself. We always have to get two guys with two big bars in each end of the stand to flip the engines. She can see plain as day that it is dangerous. Our service manager has been there for over twenty years and cares only about buying the cheapest damn thing possible. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/icon_crazy.gif At least we have someone in our dealership who can see the light. And Adam, consider yourself lucky. In the last six months, I have been seeing about two bed plate leaks every month. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/puke.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaysonfordtech Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 We have the norco stand and the adaptors. I would not suggest this stand without the adaptors. Just note that you have to modify them to make sure they do not hit the bedplate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Dwayne, don't forget that there is a big safety factor here. If you have to struggle to turn an engine you are probably doing something that could induce a failure or incident. Case and point. Once upon a time I was removing a 7.3L from a truck with a Norco engine hoist that was almost at capacity with that engine on it. The wheels on the hoist were 3 inchers and the weight distribution was not very balanced. To get an engine to start rolling I would have to jerk the hoist and continue doing so because the hoist did not want to roll. This set up a bounce on the engine and then something snapped! The engine hit the floor about a foot from my feet. By the way, diesel engines don't bounce. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cover.gif Our new OTC hoist has nice big 7 inch wheels and the PSD's we pull are comfortably within it's rated capacity. It rolls easily and confidently. As for the engine stand it is a similar concept. The engine is confidently supported and it can be safely turned with the crank. The importance of the proper equipment cannot be overlooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted March 14, 2008 Author Share Posted March 14, 2008 How about that Norco stand? Has anyone had a 6.4 or Sick-0 set up on it. Is there lots of room to leeve the turbo's on? And are they top heavy? Trying to determine which one to go for. After what you said Keith, I think I am back to pushing for the OTC stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 After what you said Keith, I think I am back to pushing for the OTC stand. Hold on there Baba-Louie! It was a Norco hoist and an older model to boot. That hoist was 2000 lb capacity and probably not intended primarily for heavier diesel engines. So compare apples to apples when shopping around, i.e. - weight ratings. The OTC stuff we have is 4400 lbs for the hoist and 2000 lbs for thew stand so shop and compare the Norco stuff with similar capacity ratings. As I mentioned, larger wheels and casters are desirable though so keep that in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted March 14, 2008 Author Share Posted March 14, 2008 That Norco stand does look pretty nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaysonfordtech Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 The norco stand works fine with a dressed motor. I don't remember if you can leave the turbo on, but the gear drive to spin the motor over is like butter. You don't even really know that the engine is as top heavy as it is. Yes we have used it with a 6.4. We had to do a bedplate on one. I does take 2 guys to set it up however, because the stand splits in half and you have to line it up and secure the screw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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