DamageINC Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I just got my long block in for this ambulance in a previous post. During the disassembly (to actually fit the new engine in) I pulled the oil pan and pickup. After the engine was 'in' the chassis, I went back to grab the oil pan and pickup and was startled to see something protruding through what little oil was in the pan. I reach in and pull out a bolt about an inch long with a 3/8" hex head on it. I have NO clue where this bolt goes, where it came from, I've never seen anything resembling it on a 6.0. All I know is that it was just floating around in this pan from the day it left the factory. If this engine had gone into a truck, it likely never would have been found until it was too late. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shlep Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Funny you should mention this, I had a long block last summer for a E-series that had a 3/8 Allen key in the pan /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shrug.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamageINC Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 This got even funnier too... I went to inspect the pan further, and there was a ton of metal shavings and kibble in the pan, probably from the previous engine that blew up above it. While I was rinsing it out, I flipped it over to see a "repair job" that was done to this pan becuase it looks like it was really badly dented and beat up from whoever removed it last. The re-man place basically pounded the dents in and out (you can see the dimples all over the inside of the pan) and then filled the dents on the outside, then took a die-grinder to it to smooth it all out. Half of the bottom of the pan doesn't have any paint on it because it was all ground off. I'm just gonna keep chugging away here and hope that this thing runs right once I'm done, I should have it running tomorrow if it goes smooth. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shlep Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif and they wonder why the repair costs are so high on these things.... Aaron used to call the FQR stuff Ford Quality Repaints, thinking he was right /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/flamethrower.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/ford.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 One of my buddies just had an '04 E-450 in for a long block. Upon initial startup, there was ZERO compression in cylinder #4. Can you say SERVICE REPLACEMENT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHNO60 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 SHOULD OF ORDERED THE F.Q.R HEAR THEY SUCK BETTER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekanik Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 The worst part about it is that it is going into an ambulance. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smhair.gif Seriously, thats really fucked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 U can thank CAT for winning the contract for remanning(is that even a word) our beloved 6.0L's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamageINC Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Well, so far, it's been running fine. I was worried at first because it took an unusually long time to build base oil pressure, and then it started popping through the intake while cranking, but eventually it fired up and so far, so good. Another thing I also noticed was that, when I removed the oil cooler from the new engine - it's NOT a new oil cooler that was installed on this this long-block. There was still rusty-corroded coolant stuck to the passages all over the inside of the thing. How lovely is that? Also has old valve covers on it (the insides were scraped to shit) and there was so much paint globbed in the threaded holes in the block that a lot of the reassembly wasn't exactly cooperative. Just ordered another long block for an '07 F-350 with a melted piston, I'm gonna see what other niceties come as a bonus with this one /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlee Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 in the last year i have had 3 remans that never even made it out the shop door. one had dead miss on 3 cyliders and farting out the intake. pulled rh valve cover and 5 pushrods were just floating around and the valve bridges were missing(not in the head, pan, nowhere to be found) one was installed and as i went to turn the crank pulley to tighten torque convertor nuts, the engine would not turn over(1/2 inch breaker bar). pulled all 8 glow plugs, still wouldn't turn over. never got to tear it apart and see what was wrong, they just shipped a new long block. and the last one, got engine in and running, fuel pouring out under the truck. no allen plugs in the backs of cylinder heads(but i guess i should have caught that one). installed plugs, now i have an oil leak at the crank seal. no wear sleeve on the crankshaft(i am assuming this was the cause of the leak) new crank seal installed. finally got to road test, truck will not restart hot, only 300psi icp. dummy plug lower oring almost completly gone on one oil rail. i cringe every time i hear FQR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 i cringe every time i hear FQR. I call em Fu Q eR's. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/flamethrower.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/puke.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Originally Posted By: mlee i cringe every time i hear FQR. I call em Fu Q eR's. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/flamethrower.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/puke.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregH Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 ... there was so much paint globbed in the threaded holes in the block ... (F)ord (Q)uality ®epaint Our trans tech routinely refers to black box transmissions as having "elastometric" paint to keep them from leaking.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregKneupper Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Man guys I really got to say that I feel for you. I guess your remans obviously come from somewhere else as we have replaced quite a few 6 liters and have had only one that had a problem. It would burn a lot of oil and had some serious blowby. Ran great though. It did leave but customer brough it back because it was burning all the oil out and would stall when the level became low. Never knew what was wrong with it. Replaced with another and no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Must be nice.... I currently have a 4R100.... the FQR self destructed after about a month.... the replacement FQR has yet to make it out of the store.... Replacing the accumulator body changed the symptoms (damaged spool) but didn't cure them. Air test sounded good, solenoid body click tests OK, valve body is all free.... And warranty tells us that we might not get paid for diag time???? Now..... THERE is a WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Now..... THERE is a WTF Another broken F u Q e R . I also call the pods that they are shipped in: a new grenade casing with another black bomb inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastendpowerstroke Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I guess I should feel lucky, I had one 5.4L that had a horible engine vibration, got paid to SPW the engine, and one E4OD that wouldn't shift into 3rd gear, found the shift valve stuck I moved it with a pick and it snapped into place and it was fine ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Yeah my stuff hasn't been bad either but I have seen the excessive paint on FQR engines. Pisses you off when you have to spend extra time scraping and running a tap through bolt holes. But I just did a high pressure turbo on a 6.4L that someone forgot to remove the crossover seal ring from the housing until after it was rebuilt. Left a ring of material that I had to clean up before assembly. No big deal but its little details like that that can screw up a job if you are not paying attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastendpowerstroke Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Keith I think it's more than likley that "your stuff" and "my stuff" both come from the same place, AER in Teterboro. I guess we are blessed huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 I think they are in Pine Brook now. Well, we use two suppliers and I am not sure who the other is. Its nice because if I need something in a hurry we can always send someone to go get it instead of waiting a day. We have another issue though and that is shipping. If it comes with the order in their truck its safe and sound - BUT - if they decide to stick it on the UPS truck there is a good chance it will get beat up. The turbo I just installed was in a box that had the side bashed out and the turbo was no longer in the cardboard holders. I actually got a VGT that came out of the box during shipping and UPS just wound tape around the box. Yes, WTF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 And UPS's reply to the claim....Not our fault item was not packaged correctly. Talk to your UPS driver if they know they will tell you, all packages must withstand a fall from 6 feet in the air, I call that B/S I ship 70-90 lb turbos and fan clutches every day. 90 lbs from 6 feet in the air makes a hell of a noise. We foam pack everything. If you guys ship UPS make sure that anything over $100.00 is declared, if not UPS only covers $100.00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Larry... I love you.... you gave me an opening....ermmmm.... no... oh shit... read on.... OK, let's try this again.... If UPS says that a package should be able to survive a 6 foot drop, I would ask that UPS shows us that their package container can survive a 6 foot drop.... Let's take the big, brown van and skid it off the side of a hoist..... Hell, we only need to offer coverage up to a C-note.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BustedKnucklez Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I saw a reman long block installed and when fired up ran crappy. After the tech did some diag he had to pull the right cylinder head because #7 had a loss of compression. When he pulled the head it had new pistons in the first 3 holes( cyl#'s 1,3,5) and a completely melted & trashed #7. He had to remove the other head and SPW the shortblock. Seems the new cylinder heads aren't that much better. I put new heads on a truck about 2 months ago and one of the heads had an intake valve the was intermittenly getting stuck open. After removing it and tearing it down, I found that the valve was machined piss poorely and would sometimes not seat properly. SPW that head. It makes me wonder what kind of skill level these people have. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/boink3.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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