kevin phillips Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 I have a 2008 6.4 with a exhaust leak at the passenger manifold gasket.The shop manual has a long procedure which involves pulling the exhaust from the turbo's in chassis.anyone have any advice from a manifold repair on one of these.Would it be easier to just pull the cab? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlee Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Quote: Would it be easier to just pull the cab? yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregKneupper Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I just replace a set of exhaust manifolds in chassis on one of these. The passenger side ended up have a broken bolt in the head. Ended up having to pull head with the cab on. But I was able to remove both manifolds without pulling the cab. The radiator and all the stuff behind it had to come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin phillips Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 Ouch,i was hoping for good news.This one is leaking about cylinder 5 and i have the wrench kit on order but they want it now. I diddn't see any bolts broken but something is wrong.I may just pull it to avoid the headache if things go bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I just replace a set of exhaust manifolds in chassis on one of these. The passenger side ended up have a broken bolt in the head. Ended up having to pull head with the cab on. But I was able to remove both manifolds without pulling the cab. The radiator and all the stuff behind it had to come out. With that amount of work involved, I think it would just be alot easier to lift the cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I once had to replace a right up pipe. I did this with the cab on and ended up pulling the trans and it was still a bitch of a job with stripped off bolt heads and barely enough room for the right tools and a torch head... it would have been easier and more efficient to have just pulled the cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 We had an apprentice do a right side up pipe with a trans removal only... seemed to go OK but there wasn't any problkems with fasteners... I would have thought that once the uptube to manifold studs were out of the way, it would be a walk in the park. Part of the equation... we haven't been really active at pulling cabs... well, up until our latest hire... That means it still takes us a bit longer than most. That appears like it may change - especially as the workload shifts from the 6.0 to the 6.4. Additionally, 1/3rd of our hoists are 4 post and scheduling may affect the decision to lift the cab or not... Might be a none issue since I am the only diesel tech with a 4 post in his office and I rarely get large ticket jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregKneupper Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Cab removal on this truck was not a option as all the lifts in the shop were taken up and the truck needed to be repaired asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. Bedford Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Can you get paid for cab removal? It doesn't appear to be a required step to replace the RH exhaust manifold in the WSM. It may make it easier for you, but my WA wouldn't cover it. Just wondering how it works for you guys. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/scratchhead.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 AFAIK, I don't think you can get paid for something unless the WSM tells you to do it, which in this case, sounds like it is not a great deal of fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin phillips Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share Posted November 25, 2008 Pulled tranny, and got it switched but it took me all day.Two bolts were rusty and gave me trouble but i'm interested to see how it pays.The wa said not much this evening but they may be missing something.Did i mention i'd like to stick that exhaust setup up the engineers ass who designed it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamageINC Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Far as I know, I'm pretty sure the engineer who designed the exhaust was a woman. (no joke) Careful with that stick or you may end up with a harassment suit on your hands. Also though, do you *have to* remove the up-pipe to take out the manifold? I've never done a right side manifold but I always remove the left side manifold when doing the EGR coolers and I've never needed to remove the up-pipe, I've just been able to weasel the manifold out of there. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Blah the procedure. I've seen aftermarket shops do this shit not even knowing the procedure, and they have no failed once after 10K on the job. I think the exhaust "MUST DO PROCEDURE OR IT WILL FAIL" warning is a load of balonie. I will though follow it cuz i dont wanna do the job twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I will though follow it cuz i dont wanna do the job twice. That's a big +1 from me, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin phillips Posted November 25, 2008 Author Share Posted November 25, 2008 Ended up getting around 5 hours for the job according to the wa but it might be easier the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 Blah the procedure. I've seen aftermarket shops do this shit not even knowing the procedure, and they have no failed once after 10K on the job. I think the exhaust "MUST DO PROCEDURE OR IT WILL FAIL" warning is a load of balonie. I will though follow it cuz i dont wanna do the job twice. You know Toni, I have been biting my tongue on this so hard... and now you go and tease me some more. (just realized we don't have a tongue out smiley) I want to, I really want to say "why cant you just remove the inner fender well and unbolt the manifold?" Ahhh the blasted procedure and the warning! We are a proud bunch indeed and I have no doubt that most, if not all, of us would heed the procedure and the warning... but there is that nagging feeling that says, what if? Just what if? I just cracked a fresh bottle of Jaegermeister /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Originally Posted By: Tony302600 Blah the procedure. I've seen aftermarket shops do this shit not even knowing the procedure, and they have no failed once after 10K on the job. I think the exhaust "MUST DO PROCEDURE OR IT WILL FAIL" warning is a load of balonie. I will though follow it cuz i dont wanna do the job twice. You know Toni, I have been biting my tongue on this so hard... and now you go and tease me some more. (just realized we don't have a tongue out smiley) I want to, I really want to say "why cant you just remove the inner fender well and unbolt the manifold?" Ahhh the blasted procedure and the warning! We are a proud bunch indeed and I have no doubt that most, if not all, of us would heed the procedure and the warning... but there is that nagging feeling that says, what if? Just what if? I just cracked a fresh bottle of Jaegermeister /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif Tony. (not Toni). Keith, i think if you do it the way you wan't nothing will happen. I bet you nothing bad will happen like they tell us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoWilimek Posted December 1, 2008 Share Posted December 1, 2008 Originally Posted By: Keith Browning Originally Posted By: Tony302600 Blah the procedure. I think the exhaust "MUST DO PROCEDURE OR IT WILL FAIL" warning is a load of balonie. I will though follow it cuz i dont wanna do the job twice. I have no doubt that most, if not all, of us would heed the procedure and the warning... but there is that nagging feeling that says, what if? Just what if? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif Keith, i think if you do it the way you wan't nothing will happen. I bet you nothing bad will happen like they tell us. You know, it never fails to amaze me what parts Ford says to replace on certain jobs. I can't count the number of times the shop manual says to replace a certain nut or bolt(prevailing torque)and I have gone to the parts department and had them look it up and found no stock anywhere at Ford, and no other dealers stocked it either. I think common sense and experience counts for something. I recently replaced the thermostats in a 6.4 diesel and negelcted to order the EGR cooler clamp. I couldn't see anything wrong with re-using it in this case. Also, we have been lifting cabs on pickup trucks from many years before Ford decided to make it "allowable" on the 08 Super duties. I just never claimed for it to avoid being charged back. If there is an easier way to do something that doesn't affect the reliability of the repair, then I say "go for it". /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/2cents.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristopherH Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Dittos. Innovation, thinking outside the box, and sometimes even a little bit of risk taking are what keep our paychecks alive under warranty flat-rate situations. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating "hacking" a job, but there are many things that we have all learned from experience over the years to make repair procedures easier, quicker, and even better. I just wish that we could hold onto that lead we gain when we come up with a better way to do something a little longer. It seems that all too soon the penny-pinchers find out and there goes our being ahead of the curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 This has always been my theory: There is nothing wrong with a shortcut if it does not jeopardize the quality of a repair. However, if the quality of the repair is to be jeopardized by taking a shortchut, then don't freakin do it. If we don't want the warranty nazi's to catch on to our tricks and shortcuts, then let's all shut our damned pie holes on sites like the Protech Message board or what you folks have down south witch would most likely be FMC Dealer. If folks keep posting shortcuts on these sites, the warranty nazi's will most definately keep penalizing us financially for it. These procedures that make us more efficient are best posted right here in this wonderful site that Keith has created for us. Thankyou once again Keith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 You are aware that the Hot-Line monitors this forum, right? There are other corporate employees that have joined as well... but since joining most have not returned as I am sure their initial interest was of a curious nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Yeah, I'm aware of that Keith. And as nice is it is to see some of them help out with great input, I would hope that they aren't like the warranty Nazi's and report all the tricks back to the mothership. But then again, I may have high hopes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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