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How often do headgaskets fail on an Econoline? I think I have heard of one case here, but I have never had one that needed them. One of the guys I work next to has an ambulance that is venting coolant form the de-gas bottle. He has been following the TSB. 14 psi cooling system pressure on hard accel. He took the EGR cooler out this afternoon, leak tested it, and it is OK. He hasn't tested the oil cooler yet, but i don't see how it could cause the pressure to rise fast on accel like it does. It looks like it will need headgaskets. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smhair.gif

Any tricks on doing them in an ambulance?

Has anyone ever done them without pulling the engine?

I can't remember who, but I think I remember someone here raising the body on an ambulance. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/notworthy.gif

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How often do headgaskets fail on an Econoline?

NEVER Posted Image LoL

 

Thats what I thought, but nothing is impossible.

 

How do you like the new job? Do you miss working on diesels? Haha

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i'v helped Dwayne with the first one he did and its much easer doing it that way then doing it with the cab on but if its an cerstline body conversion theres alot of wireing that would be a nightmare to deal with. if you take the motor mounts off and rest the engine on the oil pan and slid it from side to side you can do one head at a time with the body on

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Welcome aboard the DTS Mark. At least I taught ya and you've learned the rule of RTFC (read the fuckin computer). Now that you've got your own laptop at work, I'm sure you will find a tonne of information on this site. Hope you enjoy it. For those of you that don't know, Mark was my young diesel apprentice Gynaecologist/proctologist while I was at Fourlane and used to always check this site out by looking over my shoulder while I was checkin out the posts. He is now a full fledged Journeyman hemorrhoid surgeon. Take care Mark and hope to see on here quite a bit.

 

Mark, here are a couple of links to posts that you may want to reply to:

 

http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=5#Post5

 

http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=9867#Post9867

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Tony302600

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Originally Posted By: Mekanik
How often do headgaskets fail on an Econoline?

NEVER Posted Image LoL

Thats what I thought, but nothing is impossible.

 

How do you like the new job? Do you miss working on diesels? Haha

I love it. Work 6 to noon, when it snow's we don't work (horrible traffic getting into downtown), I talk to all the customers, i make all my prices for parts, labor. There's no middle man that we have to pay, it's great. I could never go back to the dealership.

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I'm happy for you. Posted Image

 

The ambulance is actually going back together right now. The headgastet was definately leaking on the passenger side. the oil cooler and EGR cooler are fine. I can't believe how tight that enging is coming out. The tech had to remove motor mounts, both valve covers and high pressure oil resivoirs.

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OHNO60

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Have been seeing allot of them lately, like 3 in last week alone. All with lack of heat complaints, and pressurizing the degas bottle to high hell. Oh had to edit this forgot to say "your out of your f!*&n mind pulling an Econoline body. I cant see how its faster than pulling it from the front. Pulled about 300 of those 6.0's out the front and never wanted to pull a body, especially on an ambulance.

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FWIW... the CAC on the E-box is smaller than the CAC on F series. This serves to limit boost somewhat... It is less likely that we will see pooched HGs on Econolines - nut not impossible.

 

Nice pic Aaron... must feel real neat sitting in the front for a change, eh??? Posted Image

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Nice pic Aaron... must feel real neat sitting in the front for a change, eh??? Posted Image

Posted Image That was a good one!

 

The shorter CAC huh? Are there other factors that limit boost pressure like the calibration in the PCM, FICM?

 

OHNO60- seriously? you have pulled 300 6.0l's? I have not pulled that many engines in my life.

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I would imagine that there are some subtle differences in PCM strategy for the E-Box... BUT (and here is where I may be terribly, terribly wrong), AFAIK the 6.0 is a slave to the EBP sensor (other than the chosen few that get the VGT map crap).

 

I imagine that the pressure drop across the smaller CAC would account for the lower boost pressure readings.

 

Holy shit.. I just realized that it looks like I'm imagining a lot of stuff... Now if I could only imagine a lottery win.....

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We've got one coming in next week with the "lack of heat concern" so I fear we have our first e-van headgasket failure. Posted Image

Just curious. Have you verified water pump flow? I know I definitely WOULDN'T be pulling head(s)/engine assembly on an E-series unless I HAD TO with 100% certainty!
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We've got one coming in next week with the "lack of heat concern" so I fear we have our first e-van headgasket failure. Posted Image
Just curious. Have you verified water pump flow? I know I definitely WOULDN'T be pulling head(s)/engine assembly on an E-series unless I HAD TO with 100% certainty!

Not yet Mike, like I said it's coming in this week for us to look at....but with Aaron's and my luck lately it will need heads Posted Image

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I cant believe it myself. Thought they were bullet proof. Kinda makes you think differently about the old 7.3. Whats your actual time on pulling a type 3 ambulance like you have in your pictures?

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Originally Posted By: mchan68
Originally Posted By: Shlep
We've got one coming in next week with the "lack of heat concern" so I fear we have our first e-van headgasket failure. Posted Image
Just curious. Have you verified water pump flow? I know I definitely WOULDN'T be pulling head(s)/engine assembly on an E-series unless I HAD TO with 100% certainty!

Not yet Mike, like I said it's coming in this week for us to look at....but with Aaron's and my luck lately it will need heads Posted Image

Tell me about it.

 

Fucker's gonna get 4 bottles of irontite, and get sent down the road.

 

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Whoa. Sorry about that.

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I have only done a few actual headgasket failure jobs on ambos. most of the time its a fuel in coolant issue with a cracked head. lately its been rocker box gasket leaks which means you have to yank the engine to get the heads off. I hate them. I can beat the book by a couple hours if all goes right which most of the time it does not. ambos are by far the worst with having all the electronic crap in the way

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Not only that but it makes for a long day, even if you are making time and getting paid. There are lots of other jobs coming thru the door that don't take as much out of ya. Luckily we have a couple of guys at my dealer that we can rotate the shit jobs out on.

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