robp823 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Im guessing red diesel is home heating fuel ??? Could this hurt the fuel pump or injectors ???Is it the same lubricating properties and flash point just diffrent color? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 No. Fuel that is red has had dye added to it which designates it as non-taxed fuel. Non taxed fuel is designated for off road use like construction or state/municipal use for example. I don't know what home heating oil looks like but you most likely are looking at dyed diesel fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. Bedford Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I still have some old boys that like to throw a little auto trans. fluid in the fuel, too. Does it help? Don't know. But, have never been able to connect any failures to the action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robp823 Posted February 6, 2009 Author Share Posted February 6, 2009 yea im stumped on this one said he changed the fuel filters ran fine then called back and said it was missing again replaced 2 injectors 7 and 8 figured they were just starved fuel from clogged filters also did fuel pressure test and was 45psi..ran fine ,came back the next day cylinder 5 miss replaced injector ran fine.now its back 1 and 3 are missing fuel pressure is at 40 with valve open and the fuel is bright red.No FICM codes relative compresion good just cylinder contribution codes for 1 and 3.I think im gonna try 2 more injectors and a fuel pressure regulator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff_E Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I'd check the secondary filter housing for bubbles while cranking with the key off by jumping the starter (modified baloon test) as per Keith's article. with that many injectors failing something doesn't smell right. usually it's either due to low fuel pressure (which you have), and/or combustion pressure entering the fuel system through an injector. If the baloon test fails, you should replace all injectors on the bank that's causing it. If ok, then definately fix the fuel pressure issue before it leaves or you'll be doing more injectors next week. I've had several regualtors cause this, and a couple pumps. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robp823 Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 thanks for the help..Got a link to keiths article? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 It's the newest article published in the Articles section... but unfortunately, the video is one of those little things that "happened" when I moved the site that needs to be fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredsvt Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Isn't red dyed fuel also "high" sulfur fuel, over 500ppm? Wouldn't that cause a 6.0 to soot up even worse among other things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robp823 Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 not a problem ill def check out the article anyways were sending the fuel out for analysis to jersey per ford request and i did order a regulator for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Red dyed fuel (up here in Canada anyway) is like Keith said, non taxed fuel and is used up here for "FARM" use. Therefore we call it FARM FUEL. The dye is strictly to identify the fuel for many reasons and for organization's such as Department of Transport Officers so that they can keep track of where the fuel is being used. Up here, the DOT officers used to look for vehicles that didn't have farm license plates that were running Farm fuel and you were not a farmer running it and caught with it in your vehicle, you would pay a hefty fine. Gasoline also used to be dyed up here for Farm Fuel identification as well. Farmers used to try and sell it to locals at a cheaper value than what the fuel stations sold fuel for. That was in Saskatchewan anyway. These days it is at the ULTRA LOW LEVEL up here in Canada anyway and we don't really see any boot legged fuel much anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robp823 Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 i just wanted to make sure there was no diffrence in the quality and not lubricating fuel pump and injectors properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Isn't red dyed fuel also "high" sulfur fuel, over 500ppm? Wouldn't that cause a 6.0 to soot up even worse among other things? Could red fuel be 500PPM? Yes, it's allowed to be, but not likely to be. According to my sources, almost all refineries make such large batches of fuel that it's easier to make all fuel ULSD and dye only the off-road, non taxed fuel than it is to make separate batches of LSD and ULSD. Supposedly there could be small batches of red LSD made by small refineries, but not much. A 6.0 wouldn't care about using LSD or red dyed fuel. I have seen 6.5 GM diesels acting up because of the optical sensor in the pump which doesn't like the dye in the fuel. A 6.4 would have the DPF poisoned, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 In Alberta, home heating oil has usually been purple.. it is, AFAIK, also low in sulphur... Don't get giddy... along with being low in sulphur, it has poor lubricity. Diesel furnace "guns" don't require a lot of lubrication. Red diesel fuel isn't necessarily high or 'higher' (point of view thing happening) in sulphur content. Most anything you are getting where I live is going to be from the same line delivering OTR (over the road) diesel fuel. The bad part about off-road (or dyed) diesel fuel is the storage.... Be it a farm or a construction site, once the dyed fuel is delivered, the new owner(s)are usually far too cavalier about it's quality. Dyed fuel isn't bad for these engines... however, the crap that gets into it from substandard storage is. Every time I see a jockey tank in the back of a truck, I shudder. You can bet your fuel filter that water is in that system.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robp823 Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Well i think the problem is in what you just said. The guy that owns the truck is a plumber. Im thinking maybe he cleaned out a customers tank and put it right into his truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 i just wanted to make sure there was no difference in the quality and not lubricating fuel pump and injectors properly Good question, and good point. Removing the sulfur is done with a process (called hydrocracking, IIRC) that mixes water with the diesel fuel. The sulfur sticks to the water, which is then separated from the diesel fuel. Unfortunately, this process also dramatically reduces the lubricity level of the diesel fuel, shortening the lifespan of all fuel-lubricated components (pumps, injector barrels and plungers). In my opinion, all diesel powered vehicles should have a lubricity enhancer added to the fuel 100% of the time. This added lubricant will lengthen component life, and can also increase fuel economy. The reason it can increase fuel mileage is that the injector barrel/plunger and spray pattern benefits from this added lubricant. I have had MANY students in class swear that they get better economy when running a lubricity enhancer. I suggest using it for the component advantages, and if it gives better economy, that's a bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robp823 Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 awsome all good info thanks guys i feel smarter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Clayton Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 We use number 2 heating oil at the mountain in all the diesel powered vehicles, groomers, auxilary engines for the lifts, snow making compressors, ect. The aux. units are mostly Cummins with a Detoit Diesel thrown in there and some wierd ass v-10 twin turbo oil cooled diesel thing that came out of an airplane I think. The fuel is actually pretty nice to handle because it doesn't smell quite as bad when you spill in on yourself, which is gonna happen when you have to lug the stuff up the mountain 10 gallons at a time on the back of a ski-doo sled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Like Grandpa said, it has the wrong additives. Keep your fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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