DwayneGorniak Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I just posted this over on Protech. Let's see how long it lasts before it gets deleted or I get kicked off: TSB 08-26-03 Where in the imaginary perfect Ford land world did they ever come up with this TSB? First off, it states on the first page of the TSB the symptoms of stiction: These conditions are caused by the injector spool valve sticking internally during cold engine operation/cold engine oil temperature. Ok, so the cold engine oil causes stiction. I understand that as well as every other technician out there does. But can someone in that imaginary land explain to me how step 7b, unplugging the EOT connector and installing the instrument guage tester and fooling the PCM into believing the the engine oil is cold when the oil is actually hot actually makes a difference? Are we to believe that making the PCM and the FICM believe that the the oil is cold when it really isn't will actually recreate a cough or laryngitis internally in the FICM? Ummmm, hello, the oil is still warm. Isn't it the cold oil that actually causes the stiction? Or is it just in the imagination of the FICM? Is that why we are supposed to perform a PMI on a faulty FICM that has an internal failure with it's DC to DC converter that cannot produce proper MPWR even if it has the latest calibration? If we fool it into believing that it is brand new, will it somehow magically fix itself? I think we all know, that if we have good LPWR and B+ and have only 32 volts MPWR, that we have a bad FICM. And then, there is the reality that this Inductive heating strategy as well as new FICM's don't always fix the cold stiction issue. Because isn't that caused by the spool valves sticking? Hmmmm. But then we get the R.O's kicked back because nowhere in the TSB does it direct us to diagnose the bad injectors. What ever happened to fixed right first time? Yeahhh I know, times are tough and the economy is in the tank and we have to cut back somewhere. Ohh yeahh, and there was this guy who had a slight influence on my mini rant. Can anyone guess who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Me? Or the dude that works in the bay behind you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_P Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 That post needs to be posted in Tech to tech om the FMC boards...........I give it 20 minutes before its deleted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 That post needs to be posted in Tech to tech om the FMC boards...........I give it 20 minutes before its deleted I dare you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjubain Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 Good saying there Dwayne that is why i don,t follow that tsb procedure completely.I sure know that after checking both batteries and LPWR ,B+ and and ficm MPWR is low there is a concern with the FICM.Aren't we supposed to diag a concern and duplicate it in the same condition it actually happens " PER FORD TRAINING COURSES"????NOW Dwayne you got going, this is the same thing as for the PCM REPROGRAMM TSB'S that pays .4 or .5hrs. Heres an example , erratic 1-2 shift for the F150's . Aren't we suppose to verify concern, diag, performed repair and then verify the repair?What happenned to what we werethought in FORD SCHOOL, that formula "Scc??? thats why I can't even remember it , waranty time don,t allow us to use it" And then customer comes back and saying that concern is sill there. If you performed a repair which actually repairs the concern and you haven,t performed the tsb procedure then thre's a charge back"TSB procedure not followed"Where the f* are we going with this waranty bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 What I had really tried to emphasize with Dwayne (I am still "personna non gratta" on the message board) were two points... The first being step (IIRC) 9 in the TSB. We are given three condition "scenarios"... None of which is the one we usually see... L_PWR and V_PWR are at B+ and M_PWR is in the toilet... and the pencil pushers appear to deny that this condition can exist and we are to follow the TSB anyway. Second... we are instructed to cozy up to the PCM and say "Let's pretend the oil is cold.... so - can you please pretend that the spools in the injectors are harder to move? And that cranking RPM is going to be down a bit...." What kind of engineer came up with that train of misunderstanding? Sidebar rant.... I have no doubts that each and every manufacturer converts their "warranty fund bank" into operating capital before they should. I can't speak for them... but, in Fords case, doesn't anyone else get the feeling that Ford views us as idiots? We need a TSB (read that as guided diagnostic process) for everything we touch? Only, if we make it to the end of the TSB without a resolution to the concern, we are to use the manuals for "normal" diagnosis. Except that the warranty nazis will tell us that the TSB "should" have fixed the concern? We are at that point in time, regarding the complexity of these systems, where this trade needs to do some serious head shaking on technician competency and abilities... and the manufcturers need to spearhead this if tey and their dealer networks are to survive. From what I can see... more of Fords resources are geared towards penalizing US for our shortcomings than are dedicated to fixing our shortcomings.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoWilimek Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 These TSB's seem to be Ford's easy way out for getting out of paying us to diagnose and fix the problem properly. I still remember a conundrum I faced when a 6.0 concern that I had fixed at least a month previously re-surfaced because the R.O. was not entered in the system in a timely fashion. In the meantime, an updated TSB had come out dealing with the issue I had fixed using a previous version. They refused the claim because I had not followed the revised TSB steps. DUH! The revised TSB came out a week after the truck was gone out of the shop. I think it took at least three tries and lots of my time wasted not fixing the new jobs in the shop at the time, until it got straightened out. Having a complete moron for a warranty clerk did not help either. Luckily she got "laid off" less than a week after returning from 6 months of stress leave due to getting divorced from hubby # 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Just found Broadcast Message 2021 - 2021 - UPDATE TO TEST STEP 7 OF TSB 08-26-3 WHEN DIAGNOSING FICM MODULES ON 6.0L DIESEL EQUIPPED VEHICLES USING TSB 08-26-3 AND PERFORMING 'STEP 7' FOR ENGINE OIL TEMPERATURE (EOT) SIMULATION, USE A REVISED VALUE OF 32F (0C). THIS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED BY SETTING THE INSTRUMENT GAUGE TESTER (TOOL #014-R1063) TO 100,000 OHMS. SETTING TO THE REVISED VALUE WILL PROVIDE MORE ACCURRATE AND CONSISTANT TEST RESULTS WHEN COMPLETING THE REMAINDER OF THE TSB TEST STEPS. ENGINEERING IS CURRENTLY IN PROCESS OF UPDATING THE TSB. MONITOR OASIS FOR UPDATES. Do ya know what you get when you put lipstick on a pig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoWilimek Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Just found Broadcast Message 2021 - 2021 - UPDATE TO TEST STEP 7 OF TSB 08-26-3 WHEN DIAGNOSING FICM MODULES ON 6.0L DIESEL EQUIPPED VEHICLES USING TSB 08-26-3 AND PERFORMING 'STEP 7' FOR ENGINE OIL TEMPERATURE (EOT) SIMULATION, USE A REVISED VALUE OF 32F (0C). THIS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED BY SETTING THE INSTRUMENT GAUGE TESTER (TOOL #014-R1063) TO 100,000 OHMS. SETTING TO THE REVISED VALUE WILL PROVIDE MORE ACCURRATE AND CONSISTANT TEST RESULTS WHEN COMPLETING THE REMAINDER OF THE TSB TEST STEPS. ENGINEERING IS CURRENTLY IN PROCESS OF UPDATING THE TSB. MONITOR OASIS FOR UPDATES. Do ya know what you get when you put lipstick on a pig? My guess? A wasted lipstick, and a pig that nobody wants to kiss. Who comes up with these proceedures anyhow? Oh, yeah, those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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