Keith Browning Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Customer Satisfaction Program 09B08 - injector replacement for certain 2008 and 2009 Super Duty trucks with 6.4L diesel engines. Oh what fun! I attached the first three attachments for your reading pleasure. Have fun! You will love attachment 09B08-3 with the vin list that indicates which injectors need to be replaced. How do they know? I see the fuck-up fairy has visited us again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunan Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 its reasons like that that make me happy i'm not certified yet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Alllllllright! I see how it is! We'll see how many oil changes you can do next week!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselD Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 just read this on fmcdealer. so premature o-ring failure?? why not just replace the o-rings? who can say injector problems someone does not want to admit too?? seems we will be replacing anything from just 1 to all 8. should not be a tone of vehicles affected tho, that vin list is pretty short seems the time paid is not "too" bad. I feel it could be better however Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunan Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Alllllllright! I see how it is! We'll see how many oil changes you can do next week!!! lol well its not my fault i'm not certified yet. but..there are some benefits to it too lol. just playin keith. i'd rather do that than do another bus manifold.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff_ Posted February 21, 2009 Share Posted February 21, 2009 By my math, it looks like 9,980 vin's recalled, and it appearers the average number of injectors for this recall is about 6 per vehicle. It's been a long time since I've done a 6.4 injector, but I think each was around $400... though Ford's cost is probably significantly less. It will be interesting to see what my Ford stock is worth tomorrow. I sure hope Naivistar is paying for this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted February 21, 2009 Author Share Posted February 21, 2009 On top of that I find torquing the fuel lined on the right bank to be challenging. I cant be the only tech that finds this to be true. I hope this doesn't create more problems than it is intended to correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekanik Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 On top of that I find torquing the fuel lined on the right bank to be challenging. I cant be the only tech that finds this to be true. I hope this doesn't create more problems than it is intended to correct. Thats a good point. I didn't think of that. It would be disasterous if someone didn't follow the procedure torquing those lines or re-used the fuel lined to the injectors, and caused an internal fuel leak @ 30,000psi. Then they will really have a problem with a over-filled crankcase. The guys at work thought I was a dork for being excited about this recall. I'm not happy about this costing Ford an arm and a leg, but I'm glad that in tough times I am in demand. I will have plenty to do at work for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 With the labour allowance that Ford is offering, even in todays depressed market, I can't say that this could be described as "good". What has me concerned is that they seem to know, BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT where the "bad" injectors live.... yet TSBs continue to narrow those things we can do - to the point where the conditions we find aren't "allowed" to happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 I wonder who is really going to bear the burden on this one. It is Navistar's engine and Siemens' fuel injectors. Knowing the root cause of the problem leading to this recall would answer that question. I can't see this being a a problem with the external o-rings because I would think the "fix" would simply be new o-rings. No, I'll bet Jim's next paycheck the fuck up fairy had a hand in the production of a run of identifiable injectors as evidenced by the affected VIN#'s and specific cylinders. The varying number of injectors per engine and variations of cylinders probably eliminates the possibility of an installation/assembly issue... remember the injectors that were tested with reversed electrical polarity? This reminds me of the leaking 6.0L injectors that were leaking fuel externally filling crankcases, taking out turbos, causing runaways and melting pistons. Yep, it's deja vu all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Well, some of the launch was smooth.... kinda... But deja vu has set in hard.... injectors - over full crankcases.... ermmmm, problems with reflashes..... What next? The end of multistrike (pilot) injections? Phuque..... are we going to see a small population of trucks get a EBP delete? At least they don't have an ICPEFGHIJKLMNOpeeee sensor.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekanik Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I wonder who is really going to bear the burden on this one. It is Navistar's engine and Siemens' fuel injectors. Knowing the root cause of the problem leading to this recall would answer that question. I can't see this being a a problem with the external o-rings because I would think the "fix" would simply be new o-rings. No, I'll bet Jim's next paycheck the fuck up fairy had a hand in the production of a run of identifiable injectors as evidenced by the affected VIN#'s and specific cylinders. The varying number of injectors per engine and variations of cylinders probably eliminates the possibility of an installation/assembly issue... remember the injectors that were tested with reversed electrical polarity? This reminds me of the leaking 6.0L injectors that were leaking fuel externally filling crankcases, taking out turbos, causing runaways and melting pistons. Yep, it's deja vu all over again. Its funny how a lot of the times there is a recall, the blame is placed on another part that is related to the part that is really being recalled. Like this for instance. they are obviously recalling fuel injectors, but they aren't saying that the injectors are the problem. No, it's the 5 cent o-ring mounted on the $300.00 injector. Thats why we are replacing the whole injector. I think it has something to do with legal matters. You have to give a little credit for documenting which injectors went into which cylinder in what engine that was installed into what truck. Like someone thought there might be an injector problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 You have to give a little credit for documenting which injectors went into which cylinder in what engine that was installed into what truck. Like someone thought there might be an injector problem. It's all evidence that there realy is a Ford BORG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlchv70 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 It is not the external o-ring on the injector. There is an internal o-ring that will fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I was going to say that this must be internal to the injector, because I have never seen anything wrong with external O-rings. Also, everytime I've ever talked to Hotline, they've always stated that the injectors failed internally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Wow, i feel bad for you guys. Just when i thought these engines were making headway, this comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselD Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 got one in the other day. no injectors in stock. had to order. parts had to call it in and order per vin. they verfyed how many we needed and said you will see them when they become avaiable. 3days later no injectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoWilimek Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 got one in the other day. no injectors in stock. had to order. parts had to call it in and order per vin. they verfyed how many we needed and said you will see them when they become avaiable. 3days later no injectors. I'm not surprised they are out of stock. I added up the injectors required to do just the first 2 of 49 pages, then multiplied that number by 49, which comes out to over 80,000. Note: the first 2 pages have the lowest number of injectors listed, so the actual total required will be quite a bit higher than that. It will take a while to ramp up production to make that many new injectors. I wonder who is going to pay for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselD Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I finally got mine in and the truck back to install. one down and 49pages left! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Clayton Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Did my first one today. I've done injectors on these here and there in the past, so no biggy. But scratch another one off the list. This one got all the even ones. Beat the time listed by just a smidge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 I had one last week that needed ALL EIGHT. I had to drop $567 for a Strap-On torque wrench for the job too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Clayton Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 How many of you guys are clearing the fuel injector adaptive tables after injector replacement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 MEEEEEEEE! I finished this one today as a matter of fact. It needed all 8 too. The bad part on this truck was there was a hydraulic pump mounted on a big ass bracket preventing removal of the right valve cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff_ Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I'm still waiting for my first. Do we have to replace the 2 seals for the turbo crossover tube above the left valve cover on reassembly, or can we just push the tube back in without leaks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 MEEEEEEEE! I finished this one today as a matter of fact. It needed all 8 too. The bad part on this truck was there was a hydraulic pump mounted on a big ass bracket preventing removal of the right valve cover.Nice!!! How much fun did you have, "finessing" the right valve cover off, so as not to disturb that cheesy plastic heater tube? Fortunately for me, I had a "reliable source" forewarn me of this prior to carrying this out. Apparently, if you break this tube, you're pulling the power steering pump pulley off IN-VEHICLE to access and replace the tube. Anyone suffer from this misfortune yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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