mchan68 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Now, I'm really wishing I had a known good IDM to play with. I got one here that flags P1298 on-demand on KOEO on-demand and KOEO injector buzz. P0470 & P0676 in CM on both KOEO and KOER on-demand. Vehicle exhibits no driveability issues. I'm guessing the P0470 is because it needs an EBP due to 13.99 volts reading @ KOEO. The P0676 doesn't bother me too much, but I'm guessing P1298 is the reason for the MIL light on. Pinpoint test KA is of no help, since I'm not getting a P1667. It just says replace IDM. Any thoughts? Damn, I wish I had more 7.3L experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekanik Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Well if I remmember right, the p0676 will turn the MIL on. The P1298 is for a failed IDM. I can't remember if that one will turn the MIL light on. If DTC P1663 and P1667 are set together, with or without DTC P1668, GO to FJ6 . If DTC P1298 is also present REPLACE the IDM. If DTC P1662 is also present, GO to NC1 . The pinpoint test flat out says to replace the IDM. I know its expensive and it would be nice to have another IDM to plug in just to make sure , but for what its worth a new IDM has always taken care of that DTC for me. We have a lot of 7.3s that get towed in and won't start because of the IDM. Even if the P1298 won't turn the MIL on, it may save your customer a tow bill and some inconvenience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted April 5, 2009 Author Share Posted April 5, 2009 That's my point. I'm getting a P1298 WITHOUT P1662/P1663/P1667/P1668 DTCs. At $1500, I want to be DAMN sure that the IDM is needing replacement. This truck is owned and driven by Chinaman (isn't that unusual?), and there is DEFINITELY a language barrier. I don't think money is an issue, but not having any pinpoint test to go by doesn't help either. P0676 is for a cylinder #6 glow plug circuit. This vehicle doesn't have any difficulty cold-starting apparently, nor any driveability complaint, so I'm not too concerned about that, mainly the MIL light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Mike: A know good 7.3 IDM and a known good 6.0 FICM are two tools that are indispensable when working on PSD's. New ones are outrageously priced, and FICMs sometimes work correctly and are changed to get rid of a ghost P1298. Usually there is no MIL when I've seen this in the past. I also have a known good one I could ship you for a loaner if you like. 98/99 E-Van; 99 F-Series built through 4-12-99, Check engine light/DTC P1298: The Check engine light may illuminate on these trucks with a false trouble code P1298 (IDM failure). This may be due to circuit tolerance inside the Injector Driver Module setting the false code if battery voltage is low. Verify battery voltage is greater than 10 volts. Perform all scan tool code retrieval diagnostic tests. If any codes other than P1298 are retrieved, diagnose and repair these first. If P1298 is the only code retrieved, and the engine cranks good but doesn't start, test the glow plug system and check for voltage drop or PCM reset during cranking. If all of the above is OK, or the P1298 still exists after all repairs are done, clear the code, then cycle the key off and on three times, leaving the key in the on position for five seconds each time. Check Key On Engine Off codes and if P1298 is retrieved, or if P1298 returns with no other symptoms or codes, replace the IDM with P/N XC3Z-12B599-AA. TSB #99-13-2 Using www.car-part.com, here's all the ones listed near you in Canada. 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USA-TX(Big-Spring) Request_Quote 1-800-622-1888 Request_Insurance_Quote 1431 The closest one to you in NY is $225: 2002 Engine Computer Ford Truck F350 Super Duty 7.3L 4WD AT.INJ.DRIVE CONTROL A HE3450 $225 Howbill Auto Parts USA-NY(Chaffee) E-mail 716-496-5772 / 800-884-5491 Good Luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredsvt Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 The MIL will come back on if the cyl 6 glow plug is bad. This should have a module instead of the relay for the glow plugs. After the first start that needs glow plugs it'll come on in about 30 seconds or so. I've also seen the standalone P1298, a new IDM takes care of it. Some customers refused the repair and ended up towed in a short while later. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekanik Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 After thinking about this for a while, I had that code(or 1 for a different cylinder)on a 2000 Excursion when they first came out. The MIL lamp will come on after it is started if the GPCM detects a problem. I think mine turned out to be the GPCM that was bad. The 2000 Excursion was the first 7.3L to have that solid state controller and not the relay style glow plug controller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff_E Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 I've had several of those solid state glow plug controllers go bad. Usually they will set a code for one specific glow plug circuit, but almost always ends up being the controller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 I've had several of those solid state glow plug controllers go bad. Usually they will set a code for one specific glow plug circuit, but almost always ends up being the controller.The vehicle isn't here now. It was in Saturday, but I was busy fixing another one that was towed in at the time. I just pulled the VIN off the vehicle and sure enough, this truck IS built after 10/25/99 which calls for the DY-876 module you guys speak of. And yes, I've have couple that have only flagged one specific cylinder for a glow plug fault that ended up being the GPCM. Luckily, I have a tester GPCM in my arsenal to verify that with. I'm only missing a 7.3L IDM. Like I said, this truck is owned by a Chinaman (surprised this thing doesn't have a Honda or Toyota badge?)who speaks as good as no English, so I sure as hell have no intention of trying to go into too much technical detail explaining what these parts are and their purposes. I think the guy only cares about why his MIL light is on, and how much it will cost to fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 I missed that earlier. Yes, I think your MIL is due to the GP problem, not the IDM/P1298. I've seen plenty of P1298's with no MIL, no running complaints and consider them a ghost code. The updated module is for getting rid of the code...... Good Luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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