Bill_Kelly Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Does anyone in Canada know what the penalty is for instaling DPF delete kits? Is the technician liable as well as the dealer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Canada is a province by province deal... Currently, Alberta doesn't have any legislation with teeth.... except for some relativerly vague references in the CVIP inspection manuals (one would hope that corporate citizens are going to be "good" corporate citizens) and equally vague references in the Out Of Province inspection manual that allow me to fail a vehicle with defeated emissions but do not specifically require me to fail these vehicles. Talk about a two edged sword... OK... so we do not have any laws that specifically deal with tampering with emissions control devices. Alberta infrastructure (it has been a long time since I last broached the subject with them) currently has no penalty that I am aware of. "Can I delete a DPF?" will get "No" as an answer. If you ask what the penalty is if you do remove it - you will be told that you can't remove it.... But, even in this day and age, there is no penalty for doiung it and there is no laws specifically prohibiting it. Someone please enlighten me if my info is out-dated. So.... all we can do is look at similar legislation.... Discharging refrigerant to atmosphere being an easy one - or so I thought. I cannot find the document online, but it was circa the time when we saw the switch to R134a. Discharging refrigerant to atmosphere was $500,000 to the shop and $50,000 to the tech. Bear in mind there is a memory thing going on. Any of this would be about impossible to prove in a court of law. So... let's talk about the morality of it all.... For north America, the DPF has become one of the accepted industry standards for diesel exhaust after treatments. "Green" provinces and states will fail a truck on visual inspection if they do net see one of these devices (this would be a truck affected by the regs). With so many people keeping these devices in operating condition, "paying the bill", if you will, would it be morally acceptable for any of us to defeat the device. It won't be long before I have grand children... what will I leave behind as my legacy? Every spring, I see volunteer groups combing the ditches outside of town.... picking up litter from passing motorists.... every year, a new crop grows to replace the old.... A few selfish people have taken it upon themselves to decorate our evironment.... many selfless people dedicate a portion of their time to undoing that. Doctors are bound by laws, as well as practices that are accepted in their chosen profession.... If they fuck up, they will be judged by a panel of their peers... So will we.... If we are to preserve an appearance of professionalism, we need to act professional. Nothing says "I'm a crook" quite so eloquently as thumbing you nose at accepted standards..... FWIW, I work on "toy" cars.... anything goes... the sky is the limit.... I carry signed cheques from classic car owners "just in case". These cars are run maybe 15 ~ 40 hours PER YEAR. Daily drivers? Zero tolerance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Ontario you can get a fine for each emissions component not present or not operating properly by way of a defeat system. When I got ticketed for no cats on my NON CATALYST underhood labeled Suburban - the fine was $345 per infraction. Also, I would suspect the truck would fail Ontario's Opacity testing for heavy-duty diesels if your truck is over 10,000 LBS GVW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 When I got ticketed for no cats on my NON CATALYST underhood labeled Suburban Just out of curiosity, did you fight the summons and were you able to use the emissions label under the hood as proof that the vehicle was built and certified as a non-catalyst vehicle? Seems to me that the emissions certification label could have ended the situation right there on the side of the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 In Alberta (and I am sure Ontario fits the pattern) there is a team of avid (or is that rabid) enforcement officers that couldn't make it as cops - but they have this overwhelming need to have some kind, any kind, of authority over their fellow human beings. Some of these people,I'm sure, couldn't even pass the "mall cop" test. We have a local "peace officer" (kind of like an over-glorified by-law enforcement officer but not good enough to be a real cop)... he is fast making himself unwelcome. I understand that, at one point, they had to take away his summons book as he was a little (shall we say) "zealous". It would be nice if we could reach some consistency in Canada for these things but there are too many stumbling blocks. Here in Alberta, an "imported" vehcile has to go through a fairly rigourous inspection in order to be registered in the province. Once the vehicle is registered,it can turn into the biggest piece of shit in the world... and there is nothing that a tech can do about it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Jim - yeah, we got those yellow-raincoated freaks here too Keith - I let him read me the riot act, write me up tickets for Cats, no EGR, etc, etc. I then showed him the NON CATALYST label with no other emission equipment listed and he got all red-faced and mad. WOW was he ever pissed. WOW I can still see the look on his face when I showed him the label. Looked like I told him I had just poked his wife! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_Kelly Posted June 15, 2009 Author Share Posted June 15, 2009 I have made it clear that I will never install a delete kit or a lift kit, but they get done every day at my shop. Just have to shake my head. I was hoping I would be able to get some info to try and persuade some of the other guys to refuse them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Jim - yeah, we got those yellow-raincoated freaks here too Keith - I let him read me the riot act, write me up tickets for Cats, no EGR, etc, etc. I then showed him the NON CATALYST label with no other emission equipment listed and he got all red-faced and mad. WOW was he ever pissed. WOW I can still see the look on his face when I showed him the label. Looked like I told him I had just poked his wife! that is priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I think the thing that bugged him the most was after I was walking away, I stuck my head out the window, and yelled "Hey! Didn't you see the 6.2L DIESEL logo on the tailgate after you pulled me over?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 I think the thing that bugged him the most was after I was walking away, I stuck my head out the window, and yelled "Hey! Didn't you see the 6.2L DIESEL logo on the tailgate after you pulled me over?" There's no feeling better than being the one responsible for throwing an egg on someone's face is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Originally Posted By: Aaron I think the thing that bugged him the most was after I was walking away, I stuck my head out the window, and yelled "Hey! Didn't you see the 6.2L DIESEL logo on the tailgate after you pulled me over?" There's no feeling better than being the one responsible for throwing an egg on someone's face is there? I have my days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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