dieseldoc Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I have a customer that needs a set of coolers so he says. 05 f250 6.0 auto. Truck is using coolant he took it to the local dealer and they told him it needed an egr cooler and oil cooler. The truck is out of warranty and he does not want to pay the dealer for this repair. Wondering what you guys are charging for labor time on a customer pay. I have not had the pleasure of doing one of these yet so any tips are appreciated. Thanks a bunch guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredsvt Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I looked up the coolers in RealTime the middle labor rate is 6.9 for the oil cooler, and 8.5 for the EGR cooler including testing and cleaning if needed. Since you're almost there for either with what you've got to take apart. Pick or go higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I would re-diag it first and then make Your recommendations. Don't rely on someone else if your putting your name and shops name on it. This could back fire and really turn into a pile of shit real quick. Look at it as if you didn't hear that it needed coolers and diag the truck. I think the customer would appreciate it if you do it this way just to make sure it won't need anything else. Just make sure that you are working with a GOOD parts guy that has looked up these parts before and get you everything you need to do the job in a efficient manor. Nothing sucks worse than getting to the end of the job and needing that particular "widget" that they don't have in stock. I would personally rather have to return a few unused parts than not have enough. Just my Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseldoc Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 I have made a practice to never use the customers diagnosis. I always troubleshoot and diagnose myself, even if it was done by another guy in my shop. You never know what might have been overlooked, missed. Sometimes even just a different persons perspective can make sure that nothing is missed. I take it there is no "kit" or parts list available for this particualar job? I have a great parts guy at my local ford dealer, I am sure he has looked this stuff up before. But never the less, I am assuming you will need and EGR cooler, oil cooler, and all associated gaskets and seals. Anything a guy wouldnt think of you should get, replace, or do while you are there? This is my first time this deep into a 6.0 so all suggestions welcome. I plan to follow the WSM this time around. However hints and tips appreciated. I love this site, even though I lack the experience with this engine. I know there is tons of help just a few key strokes away. Thanks again guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshbuys Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 We charge 10 hours for coolers (including diag) can be done in about 4-5. Steam clean the intake while you have it out, remove IAT2 sensor and clean while you're there, Install the updated turbo oil drain tube - good parts guy should know the one. EGR cooler comes with intake gaskets and new turbo bolts/seals. *DON'T* forget to install the big black o-ring between the intake and front cover....did this on my first one back in the day and it sucked having to take the intake up again! Carefully inspect screen under oil cooler - replace if torn. CLEAN EVERYTHING AROUND THE OIL COOLER BEFORE REMOVING - Under the oil cooler is the high pressure oil pump reservoir and any debris that gets in there *WILL* destroy the IPR - not if - but WHEN it gets past the screen! Motorcraft PM-2 Carb cleaner is excellent for cleaning intake and turbo. Recommend seperating and cleaning turbo while it's off - EGR Cooler failure generally leads to turbo rusting/seizing. We charge an extra hour for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Robert... what has happened to me... you do a driveway diagnosis... maybe scan codes, chat with the customer... maybe even take the thing for a drive and the concern MIGHT happen if you're lucky..... You come back and say "it is most likely the turbo-encabulator... ". That diagnosis is now CAST IN STONE. The guy changing the part figures he is going to flag a bunch of fake diag time and gets his panties in a wad when your educated guess comes up short. Then somebody prances around cackling about how you were wrong.... all the while forgetting that you had a total of .1 alloted to diag the concern... <SIGH>.... lifes a bitch and then you put your pants on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. Bedford Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 We get 14-15 hours for the coolers. This includes the LOF and coolant flush following the coolant loss TSB steps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Last set I did retail, I charged about 12 hours if I remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikill Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Me and my next stall neighbor charge 15 for the whole package. EGR cooler, oil cooler kit, reservoir cleaning and screen changing and intake cleaning. Then of course oil and filter change and coolant flush. There are some in the shop that charge 20-25 hours which makes me wonder what they are charging for headgaskets because we charge 30 hrs. I work in a pretty big shop with alot of fleet so most of the time they just want it fixed which spoils some people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 25 hours to put fucking coolers on?! I could do it in less than 25 hours with only a fucking claw hammer and vise grips!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Clyde Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Last couple I did, charged 8 hours. Aaron , I see you have met some of our apprentices, as long as the hammer and vice grips were bought at a yard sale. 25 hours seems like a wee bit excessive, to keep repeat customers ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 ^^^^ ROFL I think I charged r&r intake (8.0 or 8.5 I can't remember) .2 to change the cooler, had the intake boiled, can't remember what i quoted on the oil cooler, gave the cooling system the good ol' VC9 flush - rockin' and rollin, back in service. Oh, That truck needed a FICM and a fan clutch, also. Has anyone seen the tim eto replace an EGR valve retail on a 6.0 from the Mitchell on demand? An hour, not including diag? Uhhh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Adema Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 .....And there are shops that use MOD's or Alldata's labor times as gospel truth....the SM is unwilling to investigate, or let the tech actually get paid for his time and skill/expertise......and more disaffected techs leave for greener pastures....ever wonder where the term "flat rape" came from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 [quote name=Aaron Has anyone seen the tim eto replace an EGR valve retail on a 6.0 from the Mitchell on demand? An hour' date=' not including diag? Uhhh... [/quote] I just tried to Google this and gues who had the first 2 pages come up???? Turbotraining.com Thanks Bruce!!! http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...mp;oq=&aqi= But on the other hand, this disturbs me seeing as the 3rd....notice the website "ford-truck.com", makes it look like its a Ford web site. http://www.ford-trucks.com/article/idx/4/168/article/60L_Diesel_EGR_Disconnect_Instructions.html Oh yeah of course DTS comes in, in 4th Of course I read thru a bunch of posts just because of my curiosity, man there are a bunch of FUCK-TARDS on that site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I'm diggin' it..... PS, so what's wrong with an hour for changing an EGR? Profit is NOT a four letter word. It all averages out in the long run. A 7.3 mechanical FP got you 6 hours or something in MOD 'cause they paid you to R&R the turbo to change the FP, which is ridiculous. If one of my guys took and hour he was dogging it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Larry what search term did you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 mitchell on demand 6.0 ford egr replacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbriggs Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Ever looked at mitchell time for a 6.0l alternator re& re? I think its 2.4 ish. Apparently you need to remove fan and shroud to get belt off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Ever looked at mitchell time for a 6.0l alternator re& re? I think its 2.4 ish. Apparently you need to remove fan and shroud to get belt off?The last one I just did last week RETAIL, I charged 3.0 hrs. total for diag and replace. So I guess my quote was right on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshbuys Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 WE CHARGE 2.0 FOR ALTERNATOR REPLACEMENT AND 2.0 FOR BELT REPLACEMENT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikill Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I charge 3.0 for alternator replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshbuys Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Originally Posted By: cbriggs Ever looked at mitchell time for a 6.0l alternator re& re? I think its 2.4 ish. Apparently you need to remove fan and shroud to get belt off? The last one I just did last week RETAIL, I charged 3.0 hrs. total for diag and replace. So I guess my quote was right on. Warranty pays 1.2 for alternator - reasonable to go up from there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 If you read the WSM you're supposed to remove the fan shroud and all that shit to get the belt off. You can get paid pretty good doin them alternators under warranty, or retail. I prefer the vans, cause you can strong arm the motherfucker off the cowl with your forearm to pull the belt back up when you put the back bolt in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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