Tony302600 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Originally Posted By: Fredsvt Now, how about we get someone who carries the original conservatism mixed with true liberalism. A person who wants government smaller, spend within your means, keep them OUT of your life, you work for yourself and not for others who don't wish to work. They make laws that make sense, but allows everyone to do as they wish within those laws. I don't want my life micro-managed, or my morality legislated. This country is based on equality for all, and equal opportunity for all. It's such a shame that it's fallen so far away from that. AMEN brother! Do i want government to be in every aspect of life....no...do i want government to reign in corporations, banks, wall street and our trade policies....absolutely. Do i want government to supply universal healthcare...yes. You wont win with me on the healthcare debate...ive never ever lost a argument to anyone. If you can answer to me why every other industrial nation has universal healthcare except us...then i'll let you talk. If you can explain why our life expectancy is lower then mexico and cuba's at #37...then we can argue, if you can tell me why our infant mortality rate is among the highest...then we can argue. We have the best healthcare...it's the access to it that's fucked up. Yes sir..i want a FOR PROFIT company which basically only takes money from person A and give it to Doctor B and skim some off the top to make my health decisions. I want that FOR PROFIT company to tell my doctor what he can and can't do. We have the death panels now...it's a fuktard that sits at a desk for $20/hour with ABSOLUTELY NO MEDICAL EXPERIENCE to tell my doctor... I DON'T NEED THAT TEST they have shareholders that they need to please. Do i want government to control that YES. Ron Pauls idea is VERY VERY good and VERY VERY Liberal. Keep government small...but keep regulation VERY VERY TOUGH on corporations, wall street, banks, Insurance companies and our trade agreement. The only thing i don't agree with is that he doesn't support universal healthcare. ASK Dwayne, Aaron, and Jim if they would give up their Government run healthcare program for our system. I know what they'll say. Sarah Palin says their system is horeshit and they are sicker than us. DO i want SARAH RETARD PALIN to be the face of conservatism oh fuck yes....every time she speaks...us liberals smile. Because it shows how stupid their views are. Look what happens every time a conservative is in office...cut tax's, cut tax's cut tax's and let private corporations fill in where ever the cuts take place. You need tax's. Because of Ronald Reagan's tax cuts on the super rich and corporations he was sooo far upside down that he borrowed billions and billions of dollars from social security fund. How much money have we spent on this "war" Fuckloads of money is spent on mercenaries.... Instead of our troops guarding our bases we have government contracted mercenaries. They cost 100K a year per person. A US soldier cost's us 18K per person. It's simple, war makes the super rich...even richer. oh wait...who owns the biggest government contract from the US... dick "im satan" cheney. He owns Haliburton. Let's make him richer because he fucked us so badly. If any of you think "Dubya" ran this country for 8 years you are sadly mistaken....Dick Cheney and his friends ran this god damn country. Any way they could make government look bad to you and me...they did it. So now you guys are all mad because he left a bad taste in your mouth. We need a new FDR...i thought obama was gonna be it...but he sold us out. Again...we will NEVER EVER EVER EVER have anything Good done for "we the people" in this country until we get campaign finance reform. We have it..but it's so watered down it doesn't mean anything. Oh and...yea lets run this country like a for profit company...that will fix everything...you want a third world country you got it if you want that to happen. Let's make the gap between middle class and the super rich EVEN greater then it already is. How small do you want government to be? When you call 911 do you want a for profit company to decide when their going to come, do you want a for profit police department to decide if they are going to save you from the break in?, or due to recent budget cuts because the CEO needed a jet the fire station only has 1 fire truck and it's being used, sorry we cant fight the fire at your house, or you didn't pay your bill so we aren't coming to help you. Face the facts.... the countries that adapted our economic policies are doing horrible right now. The ones that decided to do something different are doing way better then us and their workers are much happier....because they know there jobs will never leave the country courtesy of the government for the people...by the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff_E Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 So Eloquent Tony And entirely true... Especially your part about the campaign finance situation being the root of all evil regardless of which party we're from. We seriously need political campaigns to be funded entirely with tax dollars. Any candidate who gets enough signatures on a petition to run should get federal funding - the same amount as everyone else who gets the qualifying number of signatures. That way they all get to purchase equal air time to take their message to the people, and it would save all of us from putting up with a 8 month news cycle covering nothing but the upcoming election. This is the only way to remove corporate and special interest money from buying our politicians, not to mention the money taxpayers would save from not having those interests influencing congress would more than cover the expense of doing this. Hell, it may even give us more of a choice at the polls than just choosing the lesser of 2 viable evils. I also think members of congress and federal judges should be paid the median US wage as determined annually by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office. Maybe then they will formulate a tax matrix that actually benefits normal working class people, but that is for another rant. Though I hate to admit it, I'm anticipating that I will be seriously disappointed in President Obama tomorrow because supposedly he is about to announce a big troop surge in Afghanistan. My fear is that it will become, or already has become a modern day Vietnam that won't actually make us any safer, and certainly will take resources from our children to feed the war profiteers. Though I'm sure he knows this, I'm afraid the decision he makes will be influenced by his desire not to be called "soft on terrorism" by his opponent in the next election, and by teabaggers in general. I pray I'm wrong, but either way, I hope that if we stay in Afghanistan we at least find a way to actually pay for it so we're not mortgaging our children's future anymore than we already have over this ordeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 I think this discussion has reached it's end. One of several topics... Politics and government discussions CAN dovetail into discussions concerning our industry and our jobs however this topic is starting to sound like a conservative -V- liberal pissing match and has little value to add to any discussion in this forum. I also fear that we risk needless strife and polarization between members. This is a technical web site and we are all professionals. This is not to say we cannot discuss legislative or political matters however we should be mindful that if we do, we need to keep things relevant. I have always encouraged free and open discussions in the DTS forums and have been VERY (dare I use the term) liberal in allowing various subjects a chance to progress into a useful discussion. This is not directed at any one member. I alone carry the burden of moderating these forums and I can only apologize for allowing this to progress including my own participation. Upon further thought, I have decided that this topic needs to be locked and possibly even removed. This is not a reflection of my views and opinions rather an action required to maintain the goal I set forth when I created this web site and forum and the level of integrity I hold myself to. I think we have something great here at the DTS and I don't want to screw it up over politics. Comments and questions may be directly addressed by sending a private message directly to me. Thank you for your understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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