Would you believe this car runs 8.967 @ 150.38mph?

Aaron · December 24, 2009

Un-freaking-believable.

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248388

Jim Warman · December 24, 2009

The car is fugly... this does not automatically mean it is slow....

Relating this to real life... cute chicks are great... ugly chicks try harder...

If it don't go, you can always have it chromed...

You would have loved the old days - especially when it came to the quarter mile... There were a lot of low buck, low tech ventures that featured a "run what ya brung" attitude taken to new levels... multi engine dragsters with mismatched engines made life interesting... hell... multi engine dragsters with matching engines....

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One picture I have been searching for was a Fiat bodied rail car from the early 60s... Memory is hazy but I recall either a flathead with ArDun heads or a 392 hemi with a 240 or 300 Ford I-6 in front of it... Knowing the ragged edge of the sport back then, there is a very real chance that the I-6 was pulled from their tow vehicle and installed in the race car at each venue...

In 1958 I was watching Popeye cartoons on TV... Popeye was beating the crap out of Tojo and Hitler... remember that whenever you think your youth was fucked up...

If Aaron can ramble... I can show him how we really ramble...

Aaron · December 25, 2009

I think it's the epitome of 'sleeper'.

Can you imagine rolling up beside that in a mildly built street machine at a stoplight and getting your ass handed to you?

I think the best part is the rollcage in that car, you can't even see it unless you're looking for it, and it passed NHRA cert.

Jim Warman · December 25, 2009

Several years ago, one of the glossys ran a whole series on street sleepers... I recall a 67ish Mustang.. running the bottle, of course... right down to the mismatched looking wheels... dented fenders and rusty wheel wells...

I like watching computer nerds in their japscrap whing-dingers getting shat on by big inch V8s...

There ain't no replacement for displacement...

Aaron · December 26, 2009

There is a Nova in the Detroit area...twin turbo big-inch LSx engine. There was a write up on it in Hot Rod awhile back.

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Holy shit is this thing ever potent. It's a high 8 second ride also, and looks the part of the beater, except for the caltrac bars and the big hoops out back.

DamageINC · December 30, 2009

I like watching computer nerds in their japscrap whing-dingers getting shat on by big inch V8s...

There ain't no replacement for displacement...

Makes ya feel all warm & fuzzy, hehe.

Truth be told though, that addage is getting harder and harder to live by anymore. I hate to say it but I'v ebuilt my fair share of quick 4-bangers, the last one was an '06 Mitsu EVO8 that we built a 2.4 "stroker" (more like a hybrid) and that thing put down 617hp to all 4 wheels. The car will run consistent mid 10's all while cranking the AC too. Still not my cup o' tea, but hey.. 10 second street cars are becoming ridiculously common now. Considering that the "glory days" of muscle car era still left most big-inch cars on the road in the 12s, that's really saying something. Hell, I built a JOKE of a 1.9 Escort Station Wagon station wagon that would hold it's own against most of the "big in badasses" from the 60's and early 70's, and it only cost about a grand to do in the end.

I personally know of a few 281 cubic inch Fords out here that would smash either of the cars posted in this thread, it really is getting out of hand to a degree.

There may be no replacement for displacement, but boost is very quickly becoming the great equalizer and it's only gonna get more interesting Posted Image Can't tell you how many old school hot rodders are getting annihilated by modern street cars these days, a simple trip to the drag strip is a pretty frightening experience for those who haven't been open minded about what can be done with these smaller engined rides.

Dave

Aaron · December 30, 2009

From another website I frequent:

PSI = CID

Aaron · December 30, 2009

And or

PSI > CID

DamageINC · December 30, 2009

Lol, really though that's a pretty true statement. Atmospheric pressure is roughly 14.7psi, and engines are really nothing more than complicated air pumps. The more air you can move through the engine, the more power it will make in the end. a 250 CID engine running 14.7psi of BOOST will, in theory make just as much power as a 500 CID engine with identical (but twice as large) architecture - assuming impossible conditions like absolutely equal friction losses and zero parasitic losses from driving the blower/turbo, air temperature increases, equally effecient cylinder head design, so on, yadda yadda..

...sometimes you actually make MORE than twice the power at 14.7psi if things like intake design and total engine airflow actually are more conducive to pressurized environments, which does happen a lot on more modern multiple valve head designs. Some engines nowadays actually achieve OVER 100% load/volumetric effeciency in complete naturally aspirated form by literally drawing in more air than the cylinders naturally will hold!

Dave

Aaron · December 30, 2009

My 355 is over 100% V-E on the dyno between 4000-6700rpm Posted Image

Pump gas, 10:1 naturally aspirated.

DamageINC · December 31, 2009

That's what I'jm talkin about! Now throw some boost at it Posted Image

Dave

Aaron · December 31, 2009

Little on the edge of compression, don't you think? Posted Image

Jim Warman · January 1, 2010

Used to be that we would build stuff... You would not believe what Clifford engineering did with the 240/300 CID Ford I-6s... sometimes using stock parts from other makers... This was the remarkable thing about yesteryear... hotrodders would DO something...

Today, and I do have to admit that we had our RB stroker short block built for us, we usually find that Joe Hotrodder has gone out and bought a power adder... he hasn't used any real knowledge... he hasn't learned anything (other than having cubic money is good).. and he wont ever be able to progress beyond what someone is willing to sell him...

If you want to challenge me in a match "wallet to wallet"... you are going to win (though I will commit myself to making it painful for you). If you want to challenge me knowledge for knowledge...... let's just say that there are some things that money can't buy.

In this brave new world of "instant gratification", we all know where my old fashioned pride is going to go...

You guys can buy all the power adders in the world... and never hear the ear candy that is a big inch V8 with a really long cam....

You can have a big dick.... or you can buy a power adder....

Happy new year....

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Aaron · January 2, 2010

Cam in the 355 is a 254/260 dur @ .050 Posted Image

I'm keeping it on the motor, it's more fun that way. Posted Image

Aaron · January 2, 2010

And Clifford does some REALLY neat stuff, I read a bunch of articles a while back about the stuff they are doing with the slant six, it was VERY impressive. In a mid-weight car, it ran in the bottom 13's, on pump gasoline.

Only thing with Clifford's stuff is kinda pricey, but from what I understand it's pretty worth it.

Jim Warman · January 2, 2010

Note to self... do not get sidetracked cleaning dog hair from twixt keyboard keys with an unposted message on the screen...

Back about 1980 (when many of you young'uns were watching Cosby Kids and stealing Dads Playboys) we built a 4.9 in a full sized Bronco - nothing real radical since it was a daily driver and had to run pump gas. Split headers and an aluminum intake with a 500cfm Holley two barrel - shaved the head a touch and gave it a three angle valve job and some gasket matching. The thing went like jack the bear... but if you think a V6 with duals sounds a bit odd.... you want to hear an I6 with duals. (It would be like crawling into the sack with Jessica Simpson only to find out she has a bigger package than you do...).

Aaron · January 2, 2010

(It would be like crawling into the sack with Jessica Simpson only to find out she has a bigger package than you do...).

Well, you just took all the fun outta that!

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DamageINC · January 4, 2010

Pssshhh, nawwww.. NOthing a little extra octane and careful tuning (wiht a less aggressive timing curve) can't help with! My buddy has a 348 LS1 (stock block 346 bored .020) with 13:1 compression running 10 psi in his Camaro and he's got no issues whatsoever. Tuning is EVERYTHING when boost makes it's way into the equation Posted Image

(The camaro goes 8.60's by the way)

Dave