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mchan68 · December 7, 2010

Here's an interesting thread on iATN. It appears this shop has an overfueling cylinder #8 on a 6.0L. By what the poster describes, it doesn't sound like anything I have ever personally come across before. Here's the thread:

http://members.iatn.net/techmail/view/in...mp;t=ford_drive

That's not the most interesting part of the thread though. Read the advice given by poster #8 and #9. Here it is:

Hey probably the FICM is faulty but. Doubt it what is it's voltage? Is it over 48? Then. To begain did you use the same head that came with the spare? Or did you use the ones from the old motor? I think your cylinder heads are cracked Try to pressurize your fuel system. Do you have fuel in your coolant bottle just by any chance? One more thing. Try to deactivate your injectors with the scanner one.by one. That's if everything else appears to be fine. www.powerstrokehelp.com

Originally Posted By: Francisco from Georgia reply #9

Another thing. To disregard the issue of improper injector tightening grind the tips of the injector hold down brackets that way you know it's thight. I do that in every head gasket job. Or injector job. Good luck.

Okay WTF? If it's not bad enough that Bill Hewitt himself is full of shit, after reading through the sentence highlighted in bold red, he's also a hack and employs a bunch of hacks? Man oh man, I feel sorry for anyone who brings their truck to that shop.

Keith Browning · December 7, 2010

Did you call him on it???

blown99 · December 8, 2010

What is he talking about on grinding the injector hold downs? I do on average 3 sets a week, and have never had an issue with injectors loosening up. I also don't tend to read any message boards about these engines other than this one because of all the bad info given out really gets me going. I have watched this guys you tube videos and have given him verbal advice in the past. I came to the same conclusion as you guys.

Keith Browning · December 8, 2010

Oh wow. I guess I haven't been on that site for a loooooong time. Now they want you to pay to view replies? I'll pass. I can read plenty of bad advice for free elsewhere.

Keith Browning · December 8, 2010

Here's an interesting thread on iATN. It appears this shop has an overfueling cylinder #8 on a 6.0L. By what the poster describes, it doesn't sound like anything I have ever personally come across before.

The only time I have ever seen a 6.0L injector dump fuel is when the tip was broken or the injector was loose and the compression gasket and lower fuel o-ring were toasted.

Maybe he needs to grind the #8 injector clamp a little more. Posted Image

mchan68 · December 8, 2010

The only time I have ever seen a 6.0L injector dump fuel is when the tip was broken or the injector was loose and the compression gasket and lower fuel o-ring were toasted.

Maybe he needs to grind the #8 injector clamp a little more.

Actually, I just realized that you can't access the thread without a log-in ID, so here's the original post:

Originally Posted By: Daniel Hensel

well here I am once again deep into another for 6.0L. customer tows for me, we do his repair work. truck was towed in 2 weeks ago with the #8 piston blown through the side of the engine block. customer supplied a used motor with 15k on it, motor looked good, nice and clean. replaced EGR cooler, should have done stc fitting, but did not. new intake gaskets, motorcraft fuel and oil filters. initially I had a real hard time getting base engine oil pressure, i poured oil down the IPC hole and finally got oil pressure. engine started and ran real good, no noises and nice and smooth. got 10 feet down the road, engine locks up solid, hydrolocked with diesel fuel in 4 cylinders. found injector o-rings blown all to hell. replaced all o-rings, blew cylinders out with shop air, wont restart. IPC only reading 111 psi, IPR stuck at 85%. so i think high pressure oil leak. removed valve covers, energized IPR and filled with air, found left bank HPOP tube not seated. repaired and now have 500psi, engine starts, runs great for 15 minutes, them starts to missfire, and raw diesel fuel dripping from muffler weep hole, and lots of it, shut it down and its hydrolocked again. I thought maybe the #8 injector dumped and thats what blew the first motor, that injector was replaced. what now, there is a ton of fuel in these cylinders, only fills up with fuel while its running, not KOEO. could the fICM cause the overfueling, and thats what blew the first motor? I have a feeling if I tear this apart again i will find the o-rings shot again. fuel pressure is 52psi KOER. If it is the FICM, how do I prove its the cause of overfueling? lost now on this one any and all help is welcomed. thanks, Dan

And here's his update after a few replies:

Originally Posted By: Update on December 6th

well i have got a bunch of good info on this truck. I replaced all 8 injectors, did a leak down again on the HPOP, all is well, started the engine, runs perfect for about 10 minutes, then starts missing, found it starting with cylinder #8 and shut engine down, #8 is full of fuel, and its dripping from the tail pipe again. # 8 is the cylinder that blew apart in the old engine, the comon denominator here is th FICM. the engine is different and has all new injectors. is this a possibilty? wondering if this was the cause of the first engine to fail.

Brad Clayton · December 8, 2010

Quote:

that way you know it's thight

not sure what "thight" is but it's gotta be right. Posted Image

mchan68 · December 9, 2010

.... and it looks like the dufus just signed up on FTE to stir up a shit storm!!!

Read on gents:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1007480-bill-hewitt-is-a-snake-oil-salesman.html

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/778128-powerstrokehelp-com.html

Those of you who don't have the time or patience to read through all of both threads, skip onto post #19 of the snake oil salesman thread, and post #51 of the powerstrokehelp.com thread. Enjoy.

deezul · December 9, 2010

I used to try to help people out on Powerstroke forums. Too many people try to chip in with their own "two cents worth" and have no idea what they are talking about. Contradict my information and/or my advice (very frustrating....)Soooo many idiots out there who think they are "king" when it comes to the Powerstrokes. Most of the times I feel like that Monty Python skit "MY BRAIN HURTS!!!!!!!!!!"

Thank god for this site!

As for injectors coming loose, when the hell has this ever happened when you properly install them? Why are you grinding down the hold down clamps? If you are so concerned about them coming loose replace the clamp with one that hasn't already had the bolt stretched....

Idiots really fire me up, I get "trolled" pretty easy hence why I only use this site and the protech message board.

mchan68 · December 9, 2010

I used to try to help people out on Powerstroke forums. Too many people try to chip in with their own "two cents worth" and have no idea what they are talking about. Contradict my information and/or my advice (very frustrating....)Soooo many idiots out there who think they are "king" when it comes to the Powerstrokes. Most of the times I feel like that Monty Python skit "MY BRAIN HURTS!!!!!!!!!!"
I will only help a select few. And those are the ones that can either speak or type intelligently. Having SOME technical understanding of how automotive systems operate helps as well. But refer to my workplace as a "stealership" is when I walk away from the "conversation".

Originally Posted By: deezul

As for injectors coming loose, when the hell has this ever happened when you properly install them? Why are you grinding down the hold down clamps? If you are so concerned about them coming loose replace the clamp with one that hasn't already had the bolt stretched....

That was the whole point of why I started this thread. I know that overtightening the injectors can achieve the same effect as not tightening them tight enough. For this very reason, I always torque them down. I'm sorry but when it comes to fuel system components that are subjected to very high pressures that directly affect the engine's operation, I'm not prepared to assemble it in any other manner, other than OEM specs.

Originally Posted By: deezul

Idiots really fire me up, I get "trolled" pretty easy hence why I only use this site and the protech message board.
Apparently not only you and I.

..... I just noticed they deleted the posts in the two above-mentioned threads. Damn. Things were just starting to get heated up too.

Keith Browning · December 9, 2010

I have never had a problem with injector installations or the clamps to be honest. The only problems I have run into with regard to repeat injector failures and loosening injectors were caused by damaged injector cups.

deezul · December 9, 2010

I torque everything to spec. It's the only way I can keep my mind from racing at night thinking about all of that days work. When it's re-assembled and torqued properly their is no doubt in my mind that even if something goes wrong at least I know I put everything back to factory spec and didn't miss anything.