Keith Browning Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Let's play guess the failure. The only clue I am giving you is that this oil drain plug came from a Navistar diesel engine. Good luck... and I am not tellin until someone guesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Bad 80's haircut, and too much hair mousse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshbuys Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Looks like MPS (melted piston syndrome) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselD Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Last one I had that looked like that has a banks six gun installed and a rod hanging out of the block Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Clayton Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 I am going to have to go with one or more lifters coming apart and getting crushed up in the oil pump, going thru the spin cycle, and depositing what's left on the magnet of the drain plug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 I am going to have to go with one or more lifters coming apart We have a winner! A 2007 E450 6.0L - the #3 intake lifter roller failed and ground away on the camshaft. The lifter is permanently stuck in the block. I had found throughout the engine including the oil cooler reservoir which had a HPOP inlet screen with missing panels. This was the paint dipped FQR job I posted about. No mousse Bruce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Clayton Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Holy cow, a 5 head banger! Do you need my address to send my prize, or do you want to use paypal? Speaking of paypal, bonus points to anyone who can tell me what paypal's original web address was. Gonna have to be some way back internet purchasing folks on here to get it, unless you just cheat and google it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 Prize?!?!? You got your face slap smilie AND a 5 headbanger salute. Speaking of PayPal, I can enable subscriptions for the forum and make you pay to be able to log in here. Keep it up Bradley! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DieselD Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 What is it with e-vans having lifters take a dump? the last few engines we have had with lifters getting ate by the cam have been in vans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 A 2007 E450 6.0L - the #3 intake lifter roller failed and ground away on the camshaft. The lifter is permanently stuck in the block. I had found throughout the engine including the oil cooler reservoir which had a HPOP inlet screen with missing panels. Just curious as to how you were able to pinpoint which cam lobe/lifter this was. Since I believe #3 would not be visible with either the heads or the oil cooler removed, how much further teardown was required, until you could actually see the damage? We all know how much I just LOVE working on E-Series to begin with, I couldn't even imagine how much work was involved R & R'ing the engine, let alone the teardown once the engine is out. On this topic, WHAT (if anything) can/should be recommended to prevent (or reduce) the possibility of this particular failure besides regular oil changes? Any particular grade would be best? Was this particular vehicle even running when it showed up on your doorstep, Keith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 Just curious as to how you were able to pinpoint which cam lobe/lifter this was. Since I believe #3 would not be visible with either the heads or the oil cooler removed, how much further tear down was required, until you could actually see the damage? Diagnostics and experience. The bus was a crank no start. No ICP caused by no base oil pressure. This led me to inspect the oil pressure regulator which was stuck in the bore. Next step was to access and remove the oil pump which had the tell-tale heavy scoring of the front cover and the impressions of a needle bearing on the gerotor pump. I also had a misfire DTC and an injector circuit DTC for injector #3 which which I eventually discovered was cased by the rocker failing from piston contact of the valves and bent push rod that broke the wiring off of the injector. Once I got the engine out and apart all I had to do to visually confirm the failure was to use our boreoscope. Nuff said. Originally Posted By: mchan68 On this topic, WHAT (if anything) can/should be recommended to prevent (or reduce) the possibility of this particular failure besides regular oil changes? Any particular grade would be best? I am not sure this failure is preventable. What would cause a roller lifter bearing to fail in an engine with relatively low mileage (41,000 miles) and appeared to be well maintained? The engine was spotless other than the metal debris throughout. Originally Posted By: mchan68 Was this particular vehicle even running when it showed up on your doorstep, Keith? The bus was towed in, dead batteries, axle shafts out and leaking all over the wheels. Some towing companies really suck. It was dropped off and left that way. When disassembling the engine there were signs that this truck had been sitting. Rust accumulation in the turbo and on some of the valves and cylinders heads. No, there was no indication of water ingestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Saunoras Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 unbelievable for someone like me who rarely sees 6.0L failures..... yet the failed lifter issue doesn't seem so rare. I still have to believe some kind of lack of maintenance is to blame (possible hours to miles discrepancy?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Clayton Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Ah, lifters have been failing on Ford's V-8 diesels since '83. Nothing new, just the large number on the road, gonna see a percentage crap out. Them things are in a tough environment. They have to deal with pesky stuck valve trains, extreme pressures, low RPM-low oil circulation on cold start ups, oil diluted at a 50/50 ratio with diesel fuel, and all kindsa brutal stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmorris Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 We all know how much I just LOVE working on E-Series to begin with, I couldn't even imagine how much work was involved R & R'ing the engine, let alone the teardown once the engine is out. Replaced one not to long ago. Driver's valve cover must be removed(so you can slide engine over to the driver's side), along with turbo,oil pan and both motor mounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 It is easier to remove both valve covers and both of the high pressure oil rails and leave the oil pan on the engine. The engine comes out and goes back in nicely. The oil rails install easily with the pan sitting on the crossmember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbl35 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 I should try it that way. Everyone i did with manifols on. Then again i hope i never have to pull a diesel on an eseries ever again. I leave the oilpan on and remove the drainplug it slides right in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbudge Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Two 6.4s in a week with blown roller lifters, at least the 6.0l had enough sense to stop running when the LP pump grenades after digesting the needle bearings. On one there is so much of the bottom of the lifter missing that the pushrod fell into the valley. When the wicked popping from the intake started thats when someone finally figured something might be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 <giggling> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlchv70 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Data that I have shows that cam/lifter failures are exacerbated by certain driving conditions. Certain bus applications are particularly susceptible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 Data that I have shows that cam/lifter failures are exacerbated by certain driving conditions. Certain bus applications are particularly susceptible. Can you elaborate any? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Clayton Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Must be referring to a tuner and a brick on the pedal behind the building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Clayton Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 Quote: Data that I have shows that cam/lifter failures are exacerbated by certain driving conditions. I found that data: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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eastendpowerstroke Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 X.com no google here buddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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