What's in your bay, part III

[Matt Saunoras]

Doing cab off 6.0 head gaskets. Customer opted for studs which I haven't installed in a while. ARP dropped the torque spec if you slather on their special "ultra" lube

[lmorris]

Doing cab off 6.0 head gaskets. Customer opted for studs which I haven't installed in a while. ARP dropped the torque spec if you slather on their special "ultra" lube

Still need a big ass torque wrench to do them. Especially the 6.4L.

[lmorris]

2004 F350 Ambulance, did head gaskets on it awhile ago, and 500KM later the valves decided to stick and break some rockers. Both heads are coming off for some rebuilding. Vehicle only has 35000 km on it, but your guess is as good as mine as to what the hours are. These things are site vehicles, so they idle all day, everyday.

[Brad Clayton]

2008 F-550 getting a running complete 6.4 and the cab cant be removed. <clap clap clap>

[lmorris]

2008 F-550 getting a running complete 6.4 and the cab cant be removed. <clap clap clap>

I perfer to do engine removals with the cab on and lifted in the front about 4 inches.

[Matt Saunoras]

2008 F-550 getting a running complete 6.4 and the cab cant be removed. <clap clap clap>

I would want to try it once just to say I did it

[Brad Clayton]

I have to give a big thanks to Leon (lmorris) for help with this project. I don't think I will ever remove a 6.4 cab again for engine removal after following his advise. Pictures to come soon.

[Steve Mutter]

Wow, I want to see too! post the pictures!

[lmorris]

I have to give a big thanks to Leon (lmorris) for help with this project. I don't think I will ever remove a 6.4 cab again for engine removal after following his advise. Pictures to come soon.

Your welcome. BTW it's nice to put a voice to the name. When they told me it was Brad Clayton, I was thinking I know that name, but couldn't think of where from.

 

Currently in my bay is 1 of 2 2009 F350's 6.4L that needs engine removal. This one get bed plates. The other, bed plates and head gaskets.

[lmorris]

Just finished pulling 275 ft/lbs on a set of 6.4L head studs. Geez, are my arms sore now.

[Matt Saunoras]

Well another new one. 07 F-450 6.0 with a howl from the rear on tip in. Spicer S110, found a couple metal shavings that made there way into the rear hubs, nice metallic content in the fluid too. Never once touched a front loader

 

Also had water in the front hubs, couple frozen front axle u-joints. I had to pull the RF wheel bearing and axle all as one because the locking hub was in a million pieces and rusted to the axle shaft.

 

Also needs a power steering pump, HFCM side cover, and probably a couple injectors

 

I doubt I'll make time on it but man atleast I'm not working on a car

[Matt Saunoras]

Yikes that one's getting a drop in. Excessive wear on the drive side of the gears and decent sized metal chunks I can only assume came from the trutrac. Definite water intrusion.

[Aaron]

You've got a couple of 6.0 head bolts, cut the heads off and use them as alignment dowels to put the chunk in the housing, if you didn't already know this.

 

Cut a slot in the end of the bolt after you cut the head off, turn it in with a screwdriver. Use 4 if you've got 'em.

[Matt Saunoras]

Actually I already figured that out on my own, go figure!

 

stuck them in the case, slid it out far enough to get a good hold with a jack and pulled it off the studs. Had someone else lower it down while I sat on my ass and steadied it.

[jimmy57]

But where are you going to source something so rare as used 6.0 head bolts?

[lmorris]

Got an 06 6L here with 340,000 KM. Came in on the hook, stalled on highway. 200 KM ago it had 2 injectors put in SPW( the guy replaced all 8 14 months ago, so it is now over its SPW on the injectors). I get it running, 4 6 and 8 are dead. Did the bubble test and found the left bank was leaking. Tried to get the glow plugs out, they wouldn't. Pulled the valve covers to try from inside and found 2 and 4 injectors are new. Reciept from last repair stated 2 and 7 were replaced. Had a look at 7 and it was not new, HMMMM wonder what happened there? Regardless, I needed to find my current issue, still couldn't get the glowplug harness out so I figured I would pull the injectors and have a look at them and pop out the harness at the same time. Thinking I would find a burnt up injector seal, I found only clean nice looking injectors..GRRR. Got the glow plug harness out, new seals on the injectors and put them back in. Continue with bubble test and the bubbles are gone, frick. Noticed a shit load of crackcase pressure while cranking as well, nice, got a weak engine to boot. So I started it up with minimal reassembly to warm it up and try bubble test again, nothing, and it still runs on 5 cylinders. Now my batteries are to low to do a relative compression test, so its on the charger for a bit.

[Matt Saunoras]

Put 2 injectors in the truck that I'm waiting for a rear end for. Holy cow is this thing hacked to hell! Nothing really stood out as unusual at first glance but once I started taking the valve covers off it all became apparent who ever worked on this thing previously didn't give a shit about anything.

 

Atleast half of the valve cover bolts were crossthreaded in, 2 were missing completely, 6 of the holes had absolutely no usable threads left in the rocker box and I just pulled the bolts right out. Every single damn oil rail bolt looks like someone jammed a T25 in the head and spun it with a gun. I had one hell of a time getting the 2 underneath the evaporator housing loose.

 

All 3 ficm connectors have no locking tabs, neither do either one of the glowplug module connectors. 1 bolt holding the stator in on the bottom, the intake manifold bolt holes for the top 2 stator bolts have no threads left in them.

 

This thing has brand new headbolts sticking out of it, and being an 07 I was surprised to find it has precommonized heads on it. I seriously hope no one butchered up the gasket surfaces because I'm gonna have to be the one to fix it.

 

I figured out something else too if anyone ever runs into valve cover bolt holes with no threads left. 6.4 valve cover bolts/studs are slightly longer, I cut the grommet and collar off the 6.4 bolt, cut the 6.0 bolt to save the collar/grommet, slid it on the 6.4 bolt and it has just enough length to catch the very bottom threads in the rocker box. I wasted an entire pack of 6.4 studs on this truck. 2 other holes were unsalvageable

[lmorris]

Same truck: Relative compression has 5 and 6 2% and 8 at 8%. Manual compression on 8 is 220, thats a dead hole, thank you very much. Told customer, who is now in Medicine Hat, that it will minimum need a short block. He is still concerned about his injectors. Which we found out he TOLD the last dealer to just replace the 2 injectors and no further diag. After 10 minutes on the phone with the guy I told him the only way to verify if the injectors are good would be to put them in a known good cylinder and see what the power balance says. So now I get to swap injectors bank to bank and retest. This truck is not worth the hassle, but it's not my call I guess. It's going outside for now. Got an 11 with constant low DEF warnings and an 09 with an oil cooler issue to fix first.

[Matt Saunoras]

Dang it thanks guys for warning me about the s110 pinion nut.

 

250 ft/lb torque wrench......check

 

1000ft/lb torque multiplier......check

 

1 3/4" socket......check

 

wait...now what the hell do I hold the flange with!!!

 

 

 

 

 

Not my best work but it's all I had left for brain power today.

[mrbudge]

We have a 2012 F450 6.7 welding truck, in from another shop. Has a new injector but still misses and smokes. Has an EGR and SCR "delete" (I like that term, somehow makes it seem ok). I guess when the rods are that bent the compression gets a little too low to light the fire. Funny it didn't knock. Now if someone can explain to me what the warrantable defect is here we can get some warranty happening. It only has 10,000kms on it (6000 miles). This ought to be good.

[Matt Saunoras]

Doing a 6.7 too. Locked up tighter than hell. Removed the belt, no turn, removed the high pressure pump, no turn. Removed the heads, no turn. Removed the main caps! no turn.

 

I've got 3 mains and who knows how many rod bearings that are spun. Oh yeah and it's an early 11 that has some cracked exhaust valves that didn't quite crack enough to make it to the TSB level. I could have only hoped I could just get the screwing over with and toss a long block at it. ALSO head gaskets are on back order.

 

It's getting 16 exhaust valves whether it needs them all or not. If they want to argue I will drive to dearborn and shove a cracked valve down someones throat.

[Matt Saunoras]

So thought I'd pick up a quick customer pay 6.0 coolant leak while I wait for a 6.7 shortblock. No deal, doing cab on head gaskets right behind the one with the cab off.

 

 

Called hotline on my 6.7 today too, trying to let them let me have a long block, nope. Each headgasket is coming in from a seperate dealer out of state. Shortblock should be in Monday.

 

Oh and I planned on taking off 2 weeks from now for trout season.

[Aaron]

They don't up you to the next component replacement level if individual parts to complete an assembly aren't available?

 

They used to do that if it was gonna take 5 days to get the pieces you need to fix an engine/trans/whatever. You'd get an assembly.

[Matt Saunoras]

That's why I called. I've seen it done before when 6.4 shortblocks were unavailable. I'm not sure why they won't give me a long block. I stressed greatly that I need to have this truck done next week.

 

I also asked hotline about what to identify as the cause of failure for a locked up engine. The engineer seriously told me not to even worry about getting it paid for. They know there's a problem and just main bearing failure is enough.

[Fredsvt]

Three things for Monday.

2007 F250 4x2, steering shock, 4 shocks, RF wheel bearings, headlight and oil change, oooh....

 

2009 F150, complete front brakes, ground till pistons blew out of calipers, complete rear brakes, pistons fell out of calipers. oil change (maybe), it only has 30,000 miles on oil change, and maybe tires, since two have been routinely driven flat. Pest control company who's drivers don't give a shit.

 

And, just what I always wanted, a 2003 PT Loser, 45,000 miles, mysterious intermittent loss of oil pressure, engine runs bad and makes noise, water pump pouring. Pulled leaking oil pan this afternoon and it was perfectly clean inside. This POS has already blown a heater core, needed complete front end (arms, tie rods, bearings) and a complete a/c system. What a pile of junk.