Chad_Kelsoe Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Anybody else see this yet? http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/f650-f750/2016/ It will be interesting to see how they configure the 6.7 for these.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Probably the same way they do now. Had one in last week, 2009 with a 6.7 cummins for an EGR valve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_Kelsoe Posted March 6, 2014 Author Share Posted March 6, 2014 Probably the same way they do now. Had one in last week, 2009 with a 6.7 cummins for an EGR valve. Well I read an article some where that there would be 3 different 6.7 configurations, along with the option for the V-10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 That truck with a v10 gas is going to be an absolute dog. It's lazy with a cummins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I wonder if they're going to be available with manual transmissions. I find it very interesting that it's going to use the same transmission as an F-250. That'll be the first time in my lifetime that I've seen a 3/4 to 1 ton truck use the same powerplant in a truck with a 26,000 lb. GVWR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_Kelsoe Posted March 6, 2014 Author Share Posted March 6, 2014 I wonder if they're going to be available with manual transmissions. I find it very interesting that it's going to use the same transmission as an F-250. That'll be the first time in my lifetime that I've seen a 3/4 to 1 ton truck use the same powerplant in a truck with a 26,000 lb. GVWR. Everything I've seen said it will be the torqueshift 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 The last one I worked on had an Allison in it. Same as the government motors pickups, just with an SAE bellhousing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 And they're moving production from Mexico to Ohio. http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/27/ford-f-series-medium-duty-production-ohio-mexico/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Saunoras Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Are we talking 6.7 ford or 6.7 cummins? The site just mentions cummins which is what's in a 650/750 now as Aaron mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 6.7L POWER STROKE with a Torqshift 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselD Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 saw this the other day too. Not sure Im too found of the goofy body styling. They are definitely due for a update tho, Back are those ugly ass 2008-2010 headlights tho! Im happy about the powerstroke coming back to them as long as they let the IDS do the talking and not that pos MD-software. One diagnostic platform is the ticket! That is probably my biggest gripe about the current medium duty as I have a hard time getting them serviced. Need to take it to 3 different places to get something done to the stupid thing. the 6.7 cummins run well if they are the correct power level. There are several ways to build a 750 and if your buying used or have a sales guy that doesnt know his shit you can get a dog. Our crane trucks run well but they have the higher hp level engine and big boy allison in them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I starting to think that some of you Gents didn't actually read the contents of the link that Chad posted. Just sayin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I didn't cause the link wouldn't open on my phone. I'm gonna feed my phone to the bench grinder shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Saunoras Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 My phone shows a 2015 650/750 and all of its available configurations. Couldn't see anything about a 2016 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Aaron you have to use a computer. Apparently mobile devices default to the ford commercial mobile version. If you follow the link on a PC you get to see a special page on the 2016. I tried using my phone and realized this was happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_Kelsoe Posted March 8, 2014 Author Share Posted March 8, 2014 Aaron you have to use a computer. Apparently mobile devices default to the ford commercial mobile version. If you follow the link on a PC you get to see a special page on the 2016. I tried using my phone and realized this was happening. I don't own a smartphone, but pulling it up on my kindle shows the 2016 page I linked on my computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Clayton Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I cant see a V-10 option being a good thing in something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad_Kelsoe Posted March 8, 2014 Author Share Posted March 8, 2014 I cant see a V-10 option being a good thing in something like this. v10 opt.jpg http://tiffinmotorhomes.com/allegro. How bout one of these? We do service and repairs on motor homes built on a Ford chassis. Even had a few in with a Banks kit installed, including a cold air intake and long tube headers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I dunno Brad. It could go either way. I remember when I was a young pup working on the older F600-700-800 trucks with 370's and 460'S I think they were. They moved... rather nicely with manual transmissions however they were not the greatest when loaded up heavy. In comparison todays 6.8L runs much better and has a lot more power and torque. I am more concerned with the durability. Who wants to be swingin engines out of these trucks? I actually don't think that is a bad looking truck BUT it looks too much like the current medium duty trucks. I am not sure what Ford could have done to change that or how different they wanted it to be. After all it's still using an F-series cab apparently. You definitely know it's a Ford when you see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exmod110 Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 There was talk on our last school bus tender of the v10 direct injection propane ford engine being spec'd by one supplier.... while under warranty they claimed that we would be able to take it to ANY ford dealer for repairs... Thankfully it was a $20g option that put them off the tender list... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exmod110 Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 There was talk on our last school bus tender of the v10 direct injection propane ford engine being spec'd by one supplier.... while under warranty they claimed that we would be able to take it to ANY ford dealer for repairs... Thankfully it was a $20g option that put them off the tender list... we ended up getting the 6.7 Cummins with SCR in a freightshaker chassis.. so far that combo has been relatively trouble free except a broken SCR supply tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I worked on one Friday with a 6.7 cummins and Allison automatic. It was a water bottle delivery truck. It wasn't a powerhouse and it was unloaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 That is probably because you are used to these overpriced and overpowered diesel pick ups we work on and own. Real trucks built to work don't necessarily need to fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy57 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 If they think that a 440HP/860tq 6.7 in a 450 towing 31,200 is OK then I suppose a 260HP/750 Tq (just making up MD truck like figures here) in a 26K GVW truck is within reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I dunno Brad. It could go either way. I remember when I was a young pup working on the older F600-700-800 trucks with 370's and 460'S I think they were. They moved... rather nicely with manual transmissions however they were not the greatest when loaded up heavy. In comparison todays 6.8L runs much better and has a lot more power and torque. I am more concerned with the durability. Who wants to be swingin engines out of these trucks? I actually don't think that is a bad looking truck BUT it looks too much like the current medium duty trucks. I am not sure what Ford could have done to change that or how different they wanted it to be. After all it's still using an F-series cab apparently. You definitely know it's a Ford when you see it. I believe the gassers in trucks of the era you speak of, were equipped either with a 370 or 429 cubic inch displacement that were from the same family of engines Ford called the so-called "385" series, using the same engine blocks as the 460. My vague recollection, is the larger displacement 460 engine was used only in Ford's smaller trucks (3/4 to 1 ton). This is the same as GMC and Chevy offering the 366 and 427 in their trucks with the larger 454 being offered only in their smaller trucks. I always wondered why the larger 26,000 lb. GVWR class of trucks used smaller displacement engines. Not only that, but I also remember the majority of them being equipped with Clark 5-speed manual transmissions with 2-speed axles in them too. It was also explained to me that the extra gear reduction was needed to compensate for the lack of low end torque from the gas engines. And for this reason, the ones equipped with the optional diesel engines (of which I believe the 8.2L Detroit "Fuel Pincher" V8s was one of them) were not equipped with the 2-speed axle. All I remember though, is all of those trucks were absolute dogs. You were already up to top gear by the time you got up to 40 mph (which was a lot of shifting). Today's trucks of that class seem to be absolute rockets when compared to those mentioned in the above paragraph. Trick question. Does anyone remember when was the last year Dodge was in the medium duty truck game? I mean the ones in the same class as the ones mentioned above, not the current Ram trucks with 4500 and 5500 designations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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