JoeR Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 I had a 1998 Expedition that had a stuck ignition cylinder. The guy had put a lock cylinder in it and just needed the Pats relearned. My Snap-on scanner wouldn't work though. It said "No Communication". Believing it was a scanner issue I grabbed the IDS. Same thing. Both scanners could retrieve PATS codes (B1600), clear them and see PATS data. Neither would perform the Security access though. It would start the timer, and then about a minute in, sometimes less, it would abort and say it lost communication. Anyone seen anything like that before? I'd think it would be a bad PATS module, but I sure don't know any way to confirm it. Any ideas on what I might do next? Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forddieseldoctor Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 You might have to find an old original vcm or an old ngs to get it programmed. I’ve run across this before on some older stuff. New interfaces are too fast for the older networks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeR Posted August 2, 2022 Author Share Posted August 2, 2022 Thanks. If my Snap-on scanner wouldn't do it either, I'm thinking it's a problem with the truck, but it's possible I have trouble both units. The shop ended up fixing the original lock cylinder and reinstalling it. Problem is solved for now. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forddieseldoctor Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 One of the window lickers at work was trying to program keys on a 98 ranger with lost keys. After wasting over an hour they finally handed it off to me. 10 minutes later with the good ol’ ngs it was up and running. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeR Posted August 3, 2022 Author Share Posted August 3, 2022 I don't have one of those, but I might know where to borrow one. We used to say the NGS stood for No Good Scanner, but it did what it was supposed to. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8WA Sman Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Not sure I follow..Isn't the lock cylinder just a mechanical device? This vehicle should also have a manual relearn procedure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forddieseldoctor Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 The aftermarket lock cylinders come with new keys. I doubt that Ford supports build your own cylinder kits for that old of a vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeR Posted August 12, 2022 Author Share Posted August 12, 2022 It was definitely an aftermarket lock cylinder and keys. If there's a manual security relearn procedure, I'm not aware of it. That would be cool though. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Someone pulled out our last working NGS a couple of weeks ago... been a long time since I saw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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