G. Bedford Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Heard some news that Ford may be considering extending the warranty to 7 years/200k. Seems there was a Ford message posted today mentioning the possibility is being knocked around at high levels . Anybody seen it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Well.... I've go a 10,000 km old FQR in my bay right now with what is probably bent push tube or bad rocker on #8, I have to wonder if top brass in the glass house are a flock of flaming masochists, then. I still firmly believe that (in the right hands) the 6.0 is a marvelous piece of machinery.... Given that many owners had a choice between a !@#!?$! implant and a SuperDuty (and chose the latter), Ford can only continue to bleed in buckets with a warranty extension. I could, however, see them offering a longer warranty period on the new engine to woo customers that might be a little gun shy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGM Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 I still firmly believe that (in the right hands) the 6.0 is a marvelous piece of machinery.... Given that many owners had a choice between a !@#!?$! implant and a SuperDuty (and chose the latter), Ford can only continue to bleed in buckets with a warranty extension. Jim, I've got to say that I totally agree with your entire post.. Dont thik I have ever heard it put quite that way, but your absoloutely right.. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktmlew Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Heard some news that Ford may be considering extending the warranty to 7 years/200k. Seems there was a Ford message posted today mentioning the possibility is being knocked around at high levels . Anybody seen it? I predicted this more than two years ago...the very thought of it sent me running away from Ford. Have ZERO interest in working for warranty time on a permanent basis... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Given that many owners had a choice between a penis implant and a Super Duty (and chose the latter), Ford can only continue to bleed in buckets with a warranty extension. I think that for some guys the penis implant and the big obnoxious truck is same thing. I don't necessarily believe that owners who modify or abuse these trucks are the essence of the problem because the product has some flaws. We continue to see incremental improvements but we have seen some things over the years left to continue plaguing the products. But on the flip side, consider the improvements, the *rumor* that Ford is considering stepping up to the plate by backing the product by increasing coverage along with the other *rumor* that Ford is intent on developing their own diesel engine, do you think that Ford is finally re-gaining some control over this situation now? Or attempting to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 There is a rumour floating around that the 6.4L will be cancelled for 2009. This may sound stupid, but I've heard that NISSAN may be Ford's next diesel engine supplier. Has anyone heard of a similar rumour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselD Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 well the next big engine change has to happen in 2010 model year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Reply attempt #4.... I keep winding up with a diatribe instead of a reply... If Ford is making a turn-around, I think they are setting themselves up for some "situations".... Mullaly gets a big bonus and then Ford announces they are closing daycares for plant workers.... Let's see how the spin doctors manage that one... Nassar tried cutting warranty costs by using slash and burn techniques. What should have happened was an INCREASE in SLTs to allow run of the mill techs the time to FIRTFT without rushing into mistakes and misdiagnosis (now, this would also assume that all these techs have integrity and scruples). When I was on the bench (we still aren't sure where I am right now) and earning flat rate, I was never a clock-watcher. I know 90% of my customers socially and I could never be proud delivering any of them anything less than the best I have to give. I think Ford has a pretty good product as it stands... Every manufacturer has quality or design issues somewhere in their product and Ford is no different.... But Ford has always had a readily identifiable helmsman (aka, a family member) and that makes the company a media target. Maybe the switch to a hired gun might deflect some of that. Does anyone believe that changing the name of the Five Hundred is going to make a difference? Flip side... Would anyone have trouble telling the difference between an "old" Taurus and a "new" Taurus? Digression.... I need a grille and bumper for a 97 F250 - whaddaya mean confusion? As for an in-house diesel.... The DuraMax has had over 20 years of in-house development. Corporate knowledge gained over years and years of production. I don't know if Ford has that sort of a "brain trust" to work with and they only have about 5 years left to prove anything. Have they been working on something in the back room? The dealers service department is the most visible part of Ford Motor Company. This is where we meet customers at their worst - they are frustrated, they are stressed and they are angry. Invest more time and funding in this area - appeased and assuage these owners. Make the stressful times as pleasant as possible. Do well, and you will soon be forgotten - do poorly and they will remember you for forever. I'm not a good businessman and I was probably born 100 years too late for my outlook on life... Some of what Ford is trying just might fly in todays world. It's like watching a cooking show.... you can dress up the mashed taters with a sprig of parsley.... but that wont take out the lumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Jay Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Quote: There is a rumour floating around that the 6.4L will be cancelled for 2009. This may sound stupid, but I've heard that NISSAN may be Ford's next diesel engine supplier. Naw, Nissan is actually working with Nav to use the V6 in their half-ton-equivalent truck. However, given the upcoming emissions and diagnostics standards, it's not a product [or engine] with a lot of promise. As for the 6.4L, Ford is hell-bent on canning the Nav relationship by '10 and designing their own 7.2L V8 diesel. Interestingly, though, they may sub-contract the production of the engine back to Nav. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shrug.gif Quote: The DuraMax has had over 20 years of in-house development. Jim, where'd you get that one? Dmax is a customer of mine, so I can ask them, but I know the company hasn't been around anywhere near that long! - Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 The DuraMax diesel isn't the product of Chevy R&D?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Quote: The Duramax is General Motors' diesel engine family for large trucks, designed by Isuzu. It is produced by DMAX, a joint venture between GM and Isuzu in Moraine, Ohio. The line largely replaced the earlier 6.2 and 6.5 L Detroit Diesel V8 engines. Quote: DMAX of Moraine, Ohio is a manufacturer of Diesel engines for trucks. A joint venture between General Motors and Isuzu Motors, the formation of DMAX was announced in December of 1998. General Motors acquired a majority stake of the venture in 2003, including all engine designs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastendpowerstroke Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 the Duramax is an ISUZU engine I always get a kick from telling my friend that his "heartbeat of America" truck has a Japanese engine. Quote: The Duramax Diesel 6600 is produced in Moraine, Ohio. The GM / Isuzu relationship is growing stronger daily, with a commitment from both companies to remain dedicated to continually improving the quantity and quality of GM diesel powered pickup trucks. In terms of diesel engine production, Isuzu is poised to become the dominant diesel engine provider in North America. When it comes to diesel engines, General Motors relies on Isuzu to provide the most technologically advanced diesel power. The introduction of the new Duramax Diesel 7800 is showing the world that together they can design and build competitive, powerful, and reliable diesel engines for use around the world. GM is committed to using Isuzu diesel power in all its trucks. Offering an additional advantage for GM customers of "One Stop Shopping" for all parts, service, maintenance, and repairs. The GM dealer is certified, equipped, and ready to handle all Isuzu maintenance, repair, and service needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gasgasman Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 the Duramax is an ISUZU engine I always get a kick from telling my friend that his "heartbeat of America" truck has a Japanese engine. Yeah. But that ISUZU is not giving GM heartburn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Yeah. But that ISUZU is not giving GM heartburn. ooooooh! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/flamethrower.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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