Mekanik Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 The word around my shop is that Ford is going to put a diesel in F150's. I know that there was talk about a camless V6 diesel in F150 fleet trucks a long time ago, and then I heard a rumor about a diesel Ranger about 5 years ago. I could see them putting a 4.5L in F150's. Is there any truth to this? Has anyone else heard this? Personally, I think it would be cool if you could get a Ford car with a diesel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGLR13MWZ Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 The 4.5L was originally designed to be in the F150 an Expedition chassis. It was too heavy according to Ford and they opted to not use the engine. That is part of how it found its way into the LCF. The Ranger has a diesel version although if you don't live in a state that borders Mexico you probably wont see one. Its a 2.5L inline 4 cylinder. The latest info is that Ford plans include, using a current design 4.4L ( off the top of my head) from Land Rover for the F150 and Expedition chassis. Nothing on rumors for the Ranger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekanik Posted July 27, 2007 Author Share Posted July 27, 2007 The Ranger has a diesel version although if you don't live in a state that borders Mexico you probably wont see one. Its a 2.5L inline 4 cylinder. You can't but a diesel Ranger in the US, can you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGLR13MWZ Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 That is correct. You can not buy one in the US. In fact there are a few driving around here in Houston and they have to go back over to Mexico to get parts. No parts available through US For dealers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Mutter Posted July 27, 2007 Share Posted July 27, 2007 It would be nice to get some stuff from europe,I would buy a diesel focus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Jay Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Very, very, very slim chance that it makes it to production. When it comes to light-duty emissions, a diesel displacing any standard equipment gas engine must be as clean as the gasser in all categories. There is some wiggle room in there based on credits and such, but it's a very high hurdle for any diesel to meet. And the OBD-II diagnostics requirements are light years more complicated than the +8600lb GVWR engines. And Ford has zero, recent diesel experience. It will be a tall order... - Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordTechCA Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 yeah the 4.5l rumor has been going around since the 6.0l came out. last i heard emission issues was the reason it didnt happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torqued_Up Posted July 31, 2007 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I beleive the newest rumor bout this came out with one of these articles on the rumored 6.7L and a 4.4L for the 150/250/expedition http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6097&page=2#Post6097 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 I stumbled upon this article in Autoweek about the light truck diesel wave that is coming at us and lilely sooner than originally anticipated. It looks as though all of the American manufacturers are in fact bringing a light duty diesel to the streets and Nissan and Toyota are likely to follow in the future. Read on... Quote: Ford could be the first to offer a light-duty diesel. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LIGHT-DUTY DIESELS IN THE PIPELINE Ford: 4.4-liter turbocharged V-8 for F-150 and possibly Expedition in 2009 Dodge: 4.2-liter turbocharged V-6 for Ram 1500 in 2010 GM: 4.5-liter turbocharged V-8 for Silverado/Sierra pickups and Hummer H2 in 2010 Nissan: Iffy. May use V-6 or V-8 diesel in Titan pickup from International Truck and Engine Corp. around 2010. Toyota: Iffy. Working with Isuzu to develop diesels. Diesel for Tundra might come from truck affiliate Hino in 2010, at the earliest. By RICHARD TRUETT | AUTOMOTIVE NEWS DETROIT -- The Detroit 3 are racing to install fuel-saving diesel engines in their U.S. light trucks. Nissan and Toyota may be in the race, too. Diesels are common in domestic brands' heavy-duty pickups. But fuel economy concerns and competitive pressures are prompting automakers to put them in light-duty trucks as well. In 2009, Ford Motor Co. likely will be first to market when it puts a diesel in the F-150 pickup. Last month General Motors became the last of the Detroit 3 to commit to using a diesel in its U.S. light trucks. News reports indicate that Nissan plans a diesel for its Titan pickup. Toyota officials have said they are exploring a diesel for the Tundra pickup. Diesel engines, which boost fuel economy by 25 to 30 percent, can't get here soon enough for dealers who sell trucks. Diesels also attract customers because they can tow heavier loads and have higher resale value. "That's what people have been waiting for," says Shaun Laird, new-truck sales manager at Hummer of Orlando in Altamonte Springs, Fla. "They'll want the diesel engine for both the added towing capability and the fuel economy." Better mpg For example, a Dodge Ram 1500 pickup with a diesel should improve its fuel economy from 15 mpg city/19 highway to 19.5 city and nearly 25 mpg highway. A diesel-powered Hummer H2 could get around 16 mpg or higher in highway driving. GM estimates the gasoline-powered version gets 13 to 14 mpg in a combination of city and highway driving. GM plans to add a 4.5-liter turbocharged V-8 diesel engine to the H2 and light-duty versions of the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickups. The new engine will be a Duramax, but it will not share any parts with the current 6.6-liter Duramax that GM developed with Isuzu. GM says the new turbodiesel will produce at least 310 hp and 520 pounds-feet of torque and will be made in its Tonawanda, N.Y., plant, which is getting a $100 million makeover. The engine will fit in the same space as the current gasoline small-block V-8. And, GM says, it could be used in other vehicles. Nissan, Toyota diesels? Nissan also appears to be gearing up for a diesel in its Titan. Japan's Nikkan Kogyo Shimbun newspaper recently reported that Nissan will use a diesel engine made by Ford's longtime diesel supplier, International Truck and Engine Corp. International and Nissan officials would not confirm the report. Nissan spokesman Fred Standish says the company is considering a diesel engine for the Titan. "If we determine there is a good business case for it, just like any other vehicle, we'll do it," he said. "It's pretty simple." International's relations with Ford have been strained by a lawsuit and wrangling over price, quality and warranty issues. International is eager to do business with another automaker. Spokesman Roy Wiley says International has two diesel engines ready to supply and is talking with other automakers. But he would not confirm a deal with Nissan. "We have a V-6 that we have developed and a V-8, too," Wiley says. "It depends on where they want to put it, but we could get that in a vehicle in less than two years." Toyota officials have said they want to make a diesel optional in the new full-sized Tundra pickup. Toyota has not said when a diesel would be available or who would build it, but the company is collaborating with Isuzu on diesels. Toyota also could use a diesel from its truckmaking affiliate, Hino Motors Ltd. Pedal to the metal at Ford Ford plans to launch a light-duty diesel in the F-150 and possibly the Expedition SUV in 2009. The 4.4-liter engine is a larger version of the 3.6-liter turbocharged V-8 used in European market Land Rover Range Rovers. International's lawsuit against Ford says Ford plans to build the engine in Mexico, but Ford officials aren't talking. Ford officials also won't say who might buy a light-duty diesel truck or whether putting the diesel in an F-150 could cannibalize sales of the bigger, more expensive F-250. But they do make it clear they want to be first. "Our 30 years of truck leadership is founded on having the most capable and innovative trucks out there," says Ford spokesman Wes Sherwood. "It's important to continue to be the leader by delivering on those principles." Earlier this year, the Chrysler group confirmed that it will use at least one new engine from its diesel supplier, Cummins Inc., in the Dodge Ram 1500 pickup. The engine is a 4.2-liter V-6 that Cummins developed with the U.S. Department of Energy. Early test versions cranked out 190 hp and an estimated 570 pounds-feet of torque. Cummins is developing a V-8 based on the same architecture. Diesels = profit All Detroit 3 automakers offer diesels in their heavy-duty trucks. The engines are popular and profitable. About 40 percent of the 796,000 Ford F-series trucks sold in the United States last year were diesel-powered. Diesels are optional in Ford's F-250 and larger trucks. Sales of GM's heavy-duty Silverado and Sierra diesels are capped at about 200,000 units annually because of production constraints at the Moraine, Ohio, plant. Dodge sold about 150,000 heavy-duty Ram pickups in 2006 with Cummins-built diesel engines. A diesel costs a consumer an average of $6,660 more than a comparable gasoline engine. But after 4½ years of ownership, a diesel truck is worth $4,700 more than a gasoline-powered truck, according to a study by the Martec Group, a marketing and consulting firm. Also after 4½ years, the diesel owner has spent about $4,200 less on fuel than the gasoline engine owner, Martec says. Last week the average price of a gallon of diesel fuel was $2.91, 7 cents less than for a gallon of regular unleaded gasoline. Diesel truck sales generate at least $1 billion in additional profits to the Detroit 3, Martec says. Kevin McMahon, managing partner of the Martec Group's Detroit office, says automakers likely will charge between $4,000 and $6,000 for diesels in their light-duty trucks over the base engine. And they will make money, he predicts. Consumers, he said, will choose the diesel because it boosts resale value and offers greater fuel efficiency. Says McMahon: "The (light-truck) customer today is losing ground on fuel efficiency because of the gasoline engine." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I just had a engineer from Dearborn come in today, getting injectors for his own 03 6.0. We talked for a while about the new engines coming down the pipe. Looks like we will see a Diesel in the F-150 in the near future, and yes it will be the 4.4 or a close version of it. He has been over there for the last 2 1/2 years working on prototypes with Range Rover for the U.S. market. He wouldn't confirm any other applications but said that they are looking at other possible applications. I brought up the Explorer or Ranger and he did dance around the subject. I think he just couldn't say anything about it. How cool would it be to have a Diesel Ranger again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 What do you mean "again?" I don't recall a diesel Ranger but I DO remember a diesel Escort! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Yeah 85-87 Ford had a diesel in the Ranger, by the way I had one I loved it. Couldn't get out of it's own way but would pull the asshole out of a aardvark. Had to get rid of it because here in Michigan salt eats everything. Yeah a Escort with a diesel Bright idea there!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Siko Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 They had two diesels in the Ranger, Bronco II body style 2.2L in the 4X2 and a 2.3L turbo in the 4X4 Short lived, not very popular, but I liked them, but I have been told my brain has been damaged by diesel smoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I had the 2.3 4x4, but I have had drain bramage for a long time /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/boink3.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Well I'll be damned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 See ya learned something new today, shush... don't tell Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordracer Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Ford also had a diesel in the Mark VII, I think it was a five cylinder. Tempo's also had a diesel option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLR95 Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Well I hope they figure something out soon because GM is on track to have the 4.5 iszuzu I believe in the half tons here in the next couple of years according to my dad who works at one of the half ton truck plants. One more motor we will all have to learn haha the wonderful life of being a diesel technician Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Well just read a interesting article you all may be interested in as well, could have ramifications on the new Range Rover based diesels... http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/14899511/detail.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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