G. Bedford

No offense taken. Being new to the written word on forums I am still trying to learn how to get across points that are easier explained when spoken. Don't worry, at some later time I may come across a way to better explain and do so then. Cheers!

Just plug in a '05 F-250, look in section 303-08.

Well, I feel the OEM procedure should be the most proper way to do a repair. The OEM should be held to the ultimate standard. But if the OEM starts with a "field repair", technicians tend to cut it even further. At what point does it become "butchery"? I mean, what is the standard in our field, "it worked when I finished", so it was OK?. Even when Ford came out with the in-vehicle head gasket procedure they showed the tools they used to do the job their way. Never done it their way 'cause I lift cabs. I have to admit, after almost 25 years of flat-rate, I find the time paid is determining the procedure more than the WSM. In the strictest sense, that the OEM holds to, the torque on these cover fasteners are no less important than wheel lug nuts or the pinion nut on a S110 rear end. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif I just want to know how Ford achieved the repair properly so I can bend it from there. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif Just hanging out till the turkey is done. Hope everyone else has a good day, too.

I and another tech were looking at this procedure since I had one CP yesterday. Notice in Keith's photo he is using one of the newer "stubby" torx bits that are for sale now. We used the same set-up, but laid an inclinometer along the extension and got a 30 degree angle. I do believe anything past 15 degrees requires you to change the torque specification, kind of like adding an adapter to your torque wrench deal. Interestingly, if you attempt to use a normal torx bit, the angle jumps to 60 degrees and the swivel binds and won't turn. So, two things become apparent: 1) you need to buy a special tool so you can do this repair for the gracious time of one hour 2: How did Ford actually torque the fasteners properly?

Ah, c'mon Dave, all these 6.0l's will be customer pay soon and you will be rollin' in the dough! Oops, that right , we're now selling the 7/200k plans left and right. Guess you could have something there. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crybaby2.gif

The EGR cooler hose now has its own labor time assigned in the SLTS by its base number. Pays 1 hour. Enjoy.

Still waiting for mine, also.

The main labor ops here are EGR cooler(9456A) at 5.0 hours, oil cooler(6642A) at 5.3 hours and head gaskets(6051AT) for 14.3 hours. Now lets be honest here, if you are truly following the TSB by the steps specified, this TSB should pay a minimum of 24.6 hours. Right?

I think the times are going to cause alot of "comebacks" and unhappy 6.0l owners.

According to the recommended procedure test 10a: Road test the vehicle with the engine at full load condition. If you look at the recommended procedure for test 10b it states: Measure restriction at WOT maximum engine speed OUT OF GEAR(emphasis added) with the brake set and the wheels blocked. Watching restriction on the road test while under full load you may see a false failure and have you going in circles. Got this info out of the 2007 PCED in Performance Diagnostic Procedures if you would like to check it yourselves.

We had a shop meeting of the diesel techs, WA, SM and SA's on this TSB. We needed a way to watch warranty numbers, turn vehicles in a timely manner for customer satisfaction and in the end retain technicians, all of which is impossible the way this TSB is written versus how it is reimbursed. The simple fact is if Ford can "streamline" their diagnosis for DPFE and ABS sensors to their benefit, you need to come up with a solution that fits your area, shop needs and customer profile so you can remain in business. What is it the Marines say, "improvise and adapt"? You need to sit down as we did with management and talk sensibly and if they can't budge, you already have infomation you need to make a decision in your own best interest to act on.

The major problems with this TSB are that most of the labor ops needed overlap each other and the amount of M-Time makes most WA's behinds pucker. You need to change the way you do the repair to suit the time you are going to get paid. Or continue to get blown out of the water.

Be aware also that Ford will no longer pay for a valve grind on the diesels. The labor operation has been removed.

The WA's are talking about it on the Ford boards, too. Somethings up and no one seems to have an answer as of yet.

Actually, it was about RETENTION. The cruise came about at the same time the labor cuts were announced in 1999. Ford understood that if technicians bailed from the ranks en masse the dealer council would be up in arms. It has been a very effective tool to keep technicians around.

Some one else hates the 6.0l in the Econoline more than I do. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/puke.gif http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2007/sep/05/engines-strain-ems-services/

We have retail work......if you can fit them in the schedule. Unless management starts turning away some of this warranty 6.0l work we just don't have the time allowed. The fleets have realized we have enough techs to turn the work so they bypass other smaller points to come here. This past week I did a 6.4l radiator with sale tags from another local dealer. This fleet drove 50 miles past us to buy the truck and 100 miles past us the other way to use it. Now at 1200 miles it is in my stall for a repair. No wonder we are under audit. Last month Ford CAC called to tell us a RV'er (6.0) was broken down 100 miles away at another dealer. The dealer there couldn't get it in for three weeks(yeah.... right) and would we take it if it was towed to us. Ford would graciously only pay the standard maximum for the tow bill and wondered if we would pay the difference(almost twice what Ford was willing to pay) to get the job. What a bunch of maroons!!! When I started here years ago a 250/350 was a truck, but lately everything is 450/550 and most of that flat beds and buckets. Oh well.

We are on the edge of the oil/gas/coal fields here. The companies contract their maintenance to the independant shops. Anything warranty is brought to us, whether it it can be driven or flat bedded, by the indie shop. They charge the company a fee. Most rigs show up with new filters or fluid which usually destroys any clues you might have gotten from the old parts. If you look the rig over and find needed repairs that aren't warranty, it goes away to the other shop. I have learned to do the warranty fix and kick it routine. The indie shops are just filling a need since most of these rigs come 100+ miles to get here.

Most of my time away from work is devoted to family. We did as much camping as possible this past summer. When we are out camping we kayak and hike quite a bit. It is easy to get out for daily jaunts living in the Black Hills and the Big Horns are just a few hours to the west. This past weekend we all got out to break a few clay pidgeons so we will be ready for grouse and pheasant seasons. I always enjoy the dedicated youth season weekend for pheasant. Folowing my kids as they work the fields in anticipation of a flushing bird gets me going. I grew up riding cycles, but feel too selfish to do it at this point in my life. My time is simply not my own. In a few more years it will be just me and the wife, so I think I will probably take it up again.

Man, I feel old now. I took my first diesel course in February of 1985 on the 6.9l. Where the diesels are now has been just a steady incremental progression for me. I shudder to think of starting out on the 6.0l.

Gates makes a neat lazer beam emitting alignment tool, #91006. Fits in the belt grooves and shoots a beam to the other pullies so you can see how things line up. We don't use ours too often but sure beats trying to lay a straight edge in tight quarters.

Already a couple jackets for sale on eBay. Be interesting to see what they go for.

I have heard many a tech talk of when the 6.0l is out of warranty the gravy will roll in. Will the new 7 year/200,000 mile ESP be a big seller in your area do you think? I think the price and coverage will grab a lot of owners here. Yippee!!!!

Did you happen to run off a fuel sample when you checked pressure? Sure have seen "bad gas" do strange things. If you have a motorvac, use it as a fuel pump with known good fuel and see how things react.

http://www.setexasrecord.com/news/199371-plaintiffs-lawyer-sues-ford-for-building-not-so-tough-truck