i was able to get a package of ten terminal wires from a local navistar/international dealer but the part number was blacked out with permenant marker. it was fresh to, i could smell it had just been blacked out. i guess the dealer didn't want the part # out there. seems a bit strange to try and keep that a secret, like cloak and dagger or something. oh well, i 'm sure that the part # was posted already. thanks for the help. and remember.......don't go spreading international part #'s around.....somebody may be watching /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/poke.gif