Keith Browning

The picture was Gym's if I am not mistaken, here it is... dubbed the "Mexican Regen"

Ah, yep. You gotta love it when a truck comes back shortly after being in the shop for a re-flash. Makes for happy techs and happy customers.

Yes, I was perusing the entire K tests. Usually accessing and disconnecting a sensor to perform a test is not too big of a deal. The ECT on a 6.4L is not easy to access let alone disconnect. We have another 6.4L in the shop with the shroud and stator odd and the connector was still a pain in the ass. I am probably looking at a thermostat but the last one I came across needed an oil cooler.

I am chasing down another P00B7 code. Anybody actually perform PPT K2? Are they kidding? Yea, just like that. Disconnect the ECT sensor. Seriously? What have you guys been coming across on thes DTC?

That was a great Mythbusters episode. They looked like they had a blast doing it... then when don't they? The video in the first post is gone... here it is

dont learn the "tricks" of the trade... learn the trade.......

Jim, I know that we have touched this subject in the past and we would be kidding ourselves if we thought that this kind of thing doesn't happen every day. From the time a vehicle is written up, to the repairs we make and document, to the claims processing there are many people involved. I doubt there is little we as individuals can do to change it but we shouldn't ignore it when someone drags us into it.

I have read many of your problems... if this blows up or the claim bounces, I would call it poetic justice.

Have you ever lost a tool while working on a truck and eventually give up looking for it knowing that the truck is likely rolling out the door with your tool? I have done that once or twice conceding that the cost to replace whatever it was I lost was far less than the time it was going to waste to recover it.

I think Ford needs to discover this. It's wrong. It flies in the face of every technician that has taken the time to do the training and become certified. You should be insulted actually. It's disrespectful. It's against Ford's policy. It may even be illegal in some places.

I know you need your job, but this is a decision you need to make and make it for the right reasons, or be willing to live with the decision you make. I would say no. EMPHATICALLY NO stating exactly why you wont. If you had no knowledge of this occurring then you have a problem, or more specifically, your dealership has a problem and apparently they know it otherwise they would not be asking you to make a false statement and sign off on it. What is your integrity worth?

MANY years ago... before automatic tensioners were common place I found a Snap-On 3/8 ratchet and a 9/16 socket still attached to the alternator bracket of a 351 engine.

I had taken the reservoir out and found nothing major in it that could cause a restriction. There is no mention of a filter screen in the WSM but I suspect there may be one. After checking the hose for damage I stuck my thumb on the hose with the engine running and got some good suction. That hose was in good condition so it, was not the issue. After washing out the bottle I reinstalled it and I then had power assist and the hose was not collapsing. However the pump was making a of buzzing. The customer declined the repair and took the truck. Where to I have no idea.

please press one for english...press two to hang up till you do learn english...

This was a post from the Diesel Stop that I thought was interesting. Except for a few isolated vehicles I don't recall having many issues with the grey CMP sensor though I know we had some discussion on it. If you read this post it's hard not to think that there isn't some truth to it but I also cant help but wonder is some of these 7.3L owners don't have pre-existing problems that the new sensors make more evident. I know these sensors can affect timing... Gray Ford Recall CPS vs Black International CPS I've Recently I was having a problem with the engine missing pretty bad. I researched here and discovered problems with the UVCH. I got an AutoEnginuity from ITP (kudos Dennis) to confirm. Also found out about the small repair clips from here. Did the scan, found out which side was bad and made the repairs. Again with helpful instructions (kudos guzzle) found here. Afterwards I started playing with the different features of the Auto Enginuity only to discover that cylinder #8 failed the CCT. So I did the Cylinder Rotational Velocity test. Well #3 and #8 %s were high. I also had a ever so slight miss after the CPSrecall, but it was so slight that I ignored it. These test results get me all worried though, thinking that I've got a real problem. I was thinking bad injectors, worn rings, burnt piston, and buying myself all sorts of troubles. Back to the site I go looking for answers. I stumble across some posts about the gray CPS causing the same problems I'm experiencing. I can't figure out how the CPS can be the cause of the failed #8 CCT or the PREDELS being so out of whack for #3 and #8. But nonetheless that's what a few members have suggested. Researching here I discover that IH has a replacement CPS. So off I go to McCandless International Trucks in Las Vegas, on a Sunday no less, for the recommended replacement. Out the door for only $48. I figure for that price it's worth a shot. I replaced the CPS and here's the results: Gray Ford Recall Replacement CPS: EOT: 190.85*F CCT: P0284 Cyl #8 Injector Circuit Contribution Balance Fault Cylinder Rotational Velocity Change % (PERDELS): #1 0.9% #2 0.5% #3 2.5% #4 0.7% #5 0.0% #6 0.0% #7 0.0% #8 4.3% Black IH CPS (P/N 1821720C99): EOT: 190.4*F CCT: Test Successfull Cylinder Rotational Velocity Change (PERDELS): #1 1.0% #2 0.0% #3 0.2% #4 0.4% #5 0.4% #6 0.0% #7 0.0% #8 1.2% There you have it folks. The numbers speak for themselves. I think this is pretty definitive. The gray ford cps, while it resolves the stalling issue, has created another performance issue. My engine also idles smoother than when it was new. That annoying vibration that was always present since the truck was brand new is also now gone. There you go. If you're experiencing that ever so slight engine miss, try a new CPS from IH. I also want to note that the diameter of the IH CPS is larger than the ford cps. Thanks again for all the help you guys have given me. I hope this bit of information will help someone else. See ya on the road, Pat Black IH CPS (P/N 1821720C99): This is the part number for the older 7.3's but from what I have read, they work in the newer ones too. The part number for the newer trucks is 1825899C93, but I have been told that those are now the gray ones, just like Ford. Back when both CPSs were black, the earlier one cut off in mid '96, IIRC, with the difference being the older one had different plating on the connector pins. I think it was tin vs. gold. The story was if you mixed the two (gold cps in an older truck with tin plated connector or tin cps with newer gold plated connector) corrosion could occur and cause problems. Otherwise I believe the early and late CPS were identical. Only the later CPS was affected by the recall, as far as I know. If your truck is on Ford's radar (serviced at a dealer), then you should have gotten a recall letter if the 97's were included in the recall. Here is some additional data, with a little background info. My original CPS acted up a couple of times about a year and a half ago (around 120k), but never completely died. The first time, it didn't throw a CPS code, but did the second time, so I replaced it with a new gray one. This was before the recall, which I still haven't had done. I kept my original black CPS, and bought an additional gray one as a backup. I did a cylinder contribution test and the Cylinder Rotational Velocity Change % with each of the four sensors. I ran the engine between each CPS change to get the oil temperature in the same range for each test. The oil temperature was between 162-165*F for each one. The "New Black CPS" is an IH CPS (# 1821720C99) that I picked up today at my local IH dealer for $40 and change. The CCT passed with this one. This is actually the part number for the older 7.3s, but also seems to work in the newer trucks. The "Old Black CPS" is the original one that came in my truck. I put it back in just to run these tests. The CCT passed with this one also. The "Old Gray CPS" is a Ford gray CPS that has been in my truck for the past year and a half. The CCT failed on cylinders # 3 and # 8 with this one. The "New Gray CPS" is a brand new Ford gray CPS that I have had for over a year, but it just came out of the package today to run this test. The CCT failed only on cylinder # 8 with this one. Here is the Cylinder Rotational Velocity Change % data: Cylinder...New Black CPS...Old Black CPS...Old Gray CPS...New Gray CPS ....1...............0.1.................0.1....... ..........0.1.................0.1 ....2...............0.7.................0.6....... ..........0.5.................0.6 ....3...............0.0.................0.0....... ..........1.6.................1.5 ....4...............0.2.................0.3....... ..........0.2.................0.1 ....5...............0.1.................0.1....... ..........0.0.................0.0 ....6...............0.0.................0.0....... ..........0.0.................0.0 ....7...............0.0.................0.0....... ..........0.0.................0.0 ....8...............0.9.................0.8....... ..........2.8.................2.7 It's clear that on my truck, there is a difference between the black and gray sensors on cylinders # 3 and # 8. Even though # 3 passed with the new gray sensor, the rotational velocity was only 0.1% different than the older gray one that failed on this cylinder. I'm going to stick with the black on for now, but will probably recheck these numbers in a few weeks.

You actually sat through one of his videos in it's entirety? Man, the nights ARE long up there in God's country!

Okie dokie!

Oh man. First, Happy Birthday Bruce! Second, Blue Oval? That went away years ago. And third, I have to agree that the avatar of Bill Hewitt is freaking me out. Keep it up guys and I will invite the guy to join us.

Are you busy enough to support this hours? There are plenty of dealers open 7/week

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They shoore duz like to idol. Sometimz in reeeluy cold spells in winter we dont shut them off for weaks. Hey, suznt yoo banned frum the deezulstoop ?

Mark, if you really need to see and have the documents Brad mentioned I can e-mail them to you - PM me with the email address you want them sent to.

I still miss the guy - he was a posting madman and then fell off the face of the planet... or at least my side of the planet. I understand his life has been rearranged but I would love to have him visit once in a while. Perhaps someone could relay that to him. I would appreciate it. At least let him know I wish him well. He seems like a decent guy.

I have no problem with that at all. Once a member, always a member and always welcome here.

Me thinks the same thing. Pop the valve out and see how easily it slides. Look for rust on the stem or a dry greasy build-up. I have seen several stuck valves over the years and it usually is caused by sticking.