Keith Browning

That is what I love most about you Jim! If for no other reason they should be glad you are around simply for the entertainment value of your posts. God forbid they extract anything from your wisdom and experience. Personally, I think your Achilles Heel is your love for the sport of it!

How about 364 MB! I just found it while searching through Ford's on-line documents looking for more photographs that Ford has stolen from me off of this web site. Yes, I found more. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif Maybe I can compress the file or something but at least I now have it in print and electronic form. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

John the fact that you report actual misfires with NO codes is opposite of what Ford is reporting is amusing. Can we claim SPW on a part installed as per a recall? There would HAVE to be some diagnostics involved. Who wouldn't be angry after spending an hour or two chasing a performance issue only to find out Ford will only pay a few tenths? Cant charge the customer now can you? No. Even though the job starts out as customer pay he will turn around and tell you that Ford just installed that sensor for a recall and HE AIN'T PAYIN!

THAT is freakin funny! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif

And that Dwayne is the main concern: Where did the debris come from, what did it pass through on it's way to the IPR screen and what did it affect along the way? Tough call indeed.

Depends on where you are looking at it I suppose. This is exactly why I cannot participate in public forums much anymore as I just can't take this kind of stupid shit for the very reasons described throughout your post. I like Mike's post as it really hit the nail on the head then in a seemingly manic moment, did a 180 and offered advice. Brilliant! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/icon_crazy.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif And since I don't venture out much anymore it's interesting to see the various forums we all visit. I hope you Gents extend invites to the DTS when you run across other Ford techs. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif As a site owner I can understand not wanting your moderators "insult" the other members and I would have also sent a message to those who show disrespect to others by dishing out insults like "Is there something I can do before going to the Stealerships and getting ripped off at $85 for a mechanic to check it?" Most public diesel forums have a few technicians who hang out there that offer advice and assistance. Knowing that, I am amazed that these jackasses continue to make these statements that change the mood of the entire forum and it seems to go largely unchecked. It says a lot about a forum that doesn't truly moderate the conduct of all it's members. If you are going to have a constructive discussion in your Moderator Break Room perhaps you could encourage this practice. Otherwise, if anyone is allowed to direct insults why should you be expected to curb your responses when they are directed at you, directly or indirectly? This is usually when groups of people begin migrating to other forums. Let me know where you land, maybe I will join you.

Yes it does. Thank you Gary I also attached the TSB so we have it after it disappears. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

I was watching the news the other night (NY Metro area) and there was a top story on restaurants filing complaints of their waste vegetable/fry oil being stolen. No surprise actually but I was amused that this was top story news. Apparently thieves pull up in trucks, stick a large hose into the waste containers outside the restaurants and in minutes it is gone... even in broad daylight. They used to have to pay to have it removed but now many collection services actually pay them for it now. Now you can see why they are upset! But wait, several seeks ago I saw another news segment where a Mass. man was being fined for using WVO in his car. Additionally there is an investigation looking onto individuals that are selling/installing the kits to modify engines to run on the stuff. But that is not all. Apparently WVO is NOT APPROVED AS A FUEL FOR USE IN MOTOR VEHICLES and it is actually illegal to burn it in an automobile on State and Federal levels. Did you know? It all comes down to EPA regulations and taxation of the fuel itself.

I am guessing there is a revised filler door that hides an ammonia/urea filler. Of course that is just a guess. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

I have only had a couple of run-ins with these sensors so far but every one was either stuck in the pipe or I couldn't break the nut loose. I heated all of them red hot and they came apart/out. The next one I see I will probably just grab the torch before picking up a wrench.

I also noticed the "camouflaged" cover over the fuel filler door and wondered why they did that? Is there perhaps an additional filler located there?

If you look closely at the second picture there is what "LOOKS" like latch handles for butterfly hoods.

So it's not just an American phenomenon. Ass backward business practices are a global problem - eh? BTW, why did you take Jim's name out? Innocent, yeah! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk2.gif

Shoot, I have seen one only this year and that was in a LCF and they don't have the inductive heating program. It did leave with the post-buzz though. I once made a similar reply about head gaskets on 6.o's... ...right before the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/hitthefan.gif I guess now my parts dept. should stock a couple? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Kevin, there are 5 temperature sensors in the entire exhaust system. The first two, EGR temperature sensors. One in the right turbo inlet pipe which is the ERG inlet temperature sensor and the other, EGR outlet temperature, is mounted at the top of the vertical EGR cooler just before the EGR valve. The other three are EGT sensors. EGT-1 is mounted downstream of the turbocharger just before the DOC, EGT-2 is at the DPF inlet and EGT-3 is at the DPF outlet.

I think the warm weather is affecting you Canajuns! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/icon_crazy.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif

BLASPHEMY!

Infamy. What the hell did you do NOW?

First, welcome to the DTS Richard! Second, searching for and adding to an old topic is definitely preferred when possible or suitable. Many times we refer to other topics which it would have been better for us to resurrect in the first place. Kudos to you! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/thumbup.gif As for engine problems I haven't read much in the way of pattern failures and their causes. I know Dale Lacken's shop has seen a few that he reported to be related to dampener concerns. The engine I replaced had a crankcase full of fuel. I don't have a crystal ball so it either failed by runaway or it sucked enough oil/fuel mixture through the crankcase vent and ingested enough to hydro-lock one cylinder while it was running. I don't recall the bearings being damaged in any significant way. I think there have been a number of catastrophic failures related to leaking injectors. As for the ticking noise I think we are still waiting for Ford to finish "investigating this concern" and make some official statement. Maybe someone else can add to this if they know more... Again, welcome aboard! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rockon.gif

So I am searching for info on the "new engines" that we have heard about here and there and I have come across dome stuff. I put up the pics I thought were interesting... there is more out there. Try leftlannenews.com, blueovalnews.com and so on. I think it's too early to add new categories for these engines yet. No? Funny thing is the info display lists the Super Duty as one of the vehicles this engine is planned to be fitted with. That would make an interesting option if it offers better fuel economy otherwise it does not make sense if the 6.7L is official and coming as rumored. Feel free to post more stuff as you find it.

I thought I would get this started as I have seen a few things on the web already.

Our Fleet department was delivering a 2008 SD with a 6.4L engine that started losing power and stalling while being delivered. It had 21 miles on the odometer. A short road test confirmed erratic loss of power and intermittent stalling which has gotten worse throughout the time it has spent in our service department. I performed the diagnostics as per the codes which leads to PCM replacement as per the PCED. P0087 Fuel Rail / system pressure too low P2291 ICP too low engine cranking Low fuel pressure 5.5-6.5 PSI Passes KOEO, KOER (when it stays running) Injector electrical test Passes high pressure fuel system test Passes all pinpoint tests for P0087 FRP sensor KOEO voltage is 0.50V on the nose, wiring looks good Needless to say the PCM did not correct the concern, after verifying the pinpoint tests again a new HPFP was installed. I had a lot of trouble getting the air out of the system but eventually did. The Hot-Line wanted me to check if the engine was creating air in the system which would indicate a leaking injector. No air. In looking at power balance when the engine runs poorly there are no cylinders that show anything that stands out indicating a possible injector of interest. By this time My FSE has been in twice. We have verified that supply fuel pressure stays in specification, inspected the secondary filter standpipe. Engineering recommended that first I replace the secondary filter as they have seen a few filters that were not opening the standpipe valve due to plastic molding issues. No change. I then disconnected the fuel supply line to the HPFP from the filter housing and installed the fuel pressure adapter and verified fuel pressure to the pump which also confirms the fuel pressure regulator is working. There is only a 0.5 Psi drop which is good. We also drove the truck while monitoring pressure there and the test port on the fuel cooler. In playing around with this, looking at PIDS and ramping up the FP_PCV we temporarily regained some power but the engine still stalls and is hard starting. With PCM updates we are no longer able to control the FP_VCV so we couldn't play with that. It seems as though the engine is capable of making fuel pressure but has a hard time maintaining it. In a hail Mary attempt a new FRP was installed. No change. I was informed that there will be someone from Navistar coming in a week or so. These guys really travel self contained with tools, diagnostic equipment and parts?

Yep, first kid on my block to get one! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

You should always be thinking about what you are doing, what you are working on and what the book is telling, or asking you to do. I am a big believer in using the manual, BUT, if you are not analyzing the diagnostics as you are going along you can get tripped up easily and end up going in the wrong direction. My point is that using guided diagnostics can turn a tech into a mindless drone with a probe in hand. This is not a step in the right direction. If a tech chooses to use the guided diag it can help re-enforce the diagnostic process. I see the potential for good and the potential for bad. And as Jim and Bruce frequently point out, circuit and ground testing is not always best performed with just a DVOM. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/2cents.gif