Keith Browning

How amusing is it that Ford still has not corrected this TSB to change the part number? It has been four months. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/hahaha.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/ford.gif

Mike a pre-1998.5 production engine has a return fuel system, fuel from the cylinder heads returns to the filter head and bits of rubber is a sure sign of injector o-ring degradation. I am sure that if you do in fact discover an injector or that bank has deteriorated o-rings you will want to service the entire set. Right?

Yeah, that is a tough one to explain or accept. We all realize that stuff like this sometimes happens even to the best of us. Sure hits home when you are on the other end when something like this happens eh?

Yes, he has mentioned that pretty much anywhere he goes he can find an unsecured wireless connection and hit the Internet. He did say that he was traveling a lot these few weeks and I'll bet he a little busy

Anyway, back to the TOPIC, I also swear that we were told in the 6.4L training that there were measures taken to make detectable tampering evident. I never got a straight explanation about it nor have I heard anything more about it. Perhaps not at the dealer level as usual.

To be honest, I can find myself in agreement with most perspectives shared here so far. This is one of those trucks that come around only when a recall is issued. We did not sell it, we have no history with this Gentleman and the OASIS is clean. The truck is also well kept. I must say I am impressed with the owner's honesty. If he had just kept his mouth shut I would probably never had suspected the damage was pre-existing AND caused by human error. Like someone said, it's not his fault the sensors are prone to failure so I do feel for the guy... ooooh but he DID say that HE overtightened the bolt. Damn the honesty! Why for the love of humanity didn't the threads come out with the bolt!? To be continued...

Bruce is on the road.

I did. Go up a few threads and see! Thank you though. I was having difficulties thinking the other day. But you know, my confusion really stems from my "recollection" that the 2008 trucks have an engine hours PID in the PCM... you know, like Caterpillar does along with other info like fuel used and logged events.

My writer hands me a repair order that has the following lines on it: Customer States: Perform Recall 07S57 Customer States: The cam sensor bore is stripped out The story is that the CMP failed on the guy and he had to repair it on the road. When he installed the sensor and tightened the bolt he over tightened it and pilled the threads out of the front engine cover. He applied Loc-Tite somehow. These are his words. So, after a conference with my Service Manager and my Service Adviser, I inspected it (the sensor) and it is a black sensor with a gold clamp, the bolt appears tight and fully seated. Before I finish the story I want to see what YOUR opinions as to who should be responsible for repairing the CMP hold down bolt threads OR replacing the cover should the threads actually be damaged? Please participate in the poll but do share your thoughts!

Jeff, I have an IDM from a 96 Econoline that a coworker replaced when the truck was new. There was nothing wrong with the module. Long story short, it has worked on every truck I have plugged it into.

Larry most circuit boards are green. Don't believe me just open up the panel on your PC. Automotive modules are no different.

The actual mileage is 14020. I shut the truck off, reset a few things but that 1.8 didn't change. Don't know what it is and since I found the engine hours in the cluster I am happy.

For some reason I cannot find the engine hours for a 2008 Soooper Dooodie w/6.4L anywhere! Not in the cluster, the PCM. Is it recorded anywhere? I am looking at PID's now... Okay, found it in the cluster, I am blind apparently but the data does not appear to be valid. ENG_HOURS = 1.8? With 14020 miles? I think not! My apprentice Dan pointed out that if I run the cluster system check... sure as shit, first item displayed. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/banghead.gif

Quote: Ford To Reopen Plant POSTED: 1:54 pm EDT March 31, 2008 WINDSOR, Ont. -- Ford Motor Co. said Monday it will reopen an engine plant in Windsor, Ontario, after getting a $16.5 million grant from the Ontario government. Ford closed the Essex Engine Plant in November, affecting around 650 jobs, as part of a broad restructuring that will shutter 16 facilities by 2012. Ford spokeswoman Kerri Stoakley said Ford plans to invest $165 million in the plant and hire 300 workers to make the new engines. Stoakley wouldn't say when the plant will reopen or what it will make, but Ontario government spokeswoman Jane Almeida said the plant is expected to reopen in the next few months. Almeida said the $16.5 million was a cash grant from the province's Auto Investment Strategy Fund, which invests in companies that promise to keep jobs in Ontario. A message seeking comment was left with Canadian Auto Workers Local 200. Ford and the CAW are set to bargain a new three-year contract agreement starting this summer. Ford is planning a new line of four- and six-cylinder engines called EcoBoost that could be headed to Windsor. Ford has said the engines will improve fuel economy by up to 20 percent using turbocharging and direct-injection technology. The engines are set to debut later this year on the 2009 Lincoln MKS sedan. The Essex plant produced V-6 and V-8 engines, among other products, before it was closed.

I am wondering if this tool is supplemental to the broken plug remover already in use.

Where would you move it to? I suppose further back in the frame rail might afford ample room fut you would likely need to drill holes for the mount and the water separator drain. THAT is where I think you might find an issue as I recall drilling holes in frames is supposedly a big no-no. I don't know why. Ever really look at the frame rails? They are riddled with holes! The fact that it is located inside the frame rail offers it protection. putting it on the outside of the frame rail would be nice for serviceability but it would require a metal casing to protect it from road debris. Don't tell me it cant be done. UD Trucks and Mitsubishi trucks have all kinds of crap hanging off the outside of the frame rails like BRAKE BOOSTERS, transmission coolers and fuel filter assemblies along with the standard fuel tanks and battery boxes. Now that you bring this subject up, this is one place that Ford should really look at for product improvement. They know that a PTO option will place a large hunk of metal there. Silly question though, you could not access the cap from underneath at all?

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/surprise.gif Since when are you diplomatic or willing to hold back from an honest opinion or advice? It must be geting cold "down there." /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

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I don't think so, we already have a DPF delete kit in production along with the cal so this guy probably isn't in diesel engineering. I guess he could be testing different manufacturers stuff but a straight pipe is a straight pipe. More than likely he's a guy with more money than brains, there seem to be a lot of those lately. Well if it's his personal truck then that explains it. I doubt any "test vehicles" would be pulling up to an outside store or shop. This does raise a question though; These aftermarket guys take stock processors and other engine items and modify them or design replacement parts and I would assume some reverse engineering takes place. Do you think there are people at Ford that do the same with aftermarket stuff? I can see a team of engineers plugging in a tuner and testing it, pulling the calibration and deciphering it and so on.

Ill-advised. We are not the Smog Police and that is not what this web site is to be used for. Respect his privacy as we would yours and besides, he is "one of us." With that said, unless this guy rolls into your dealer and expects you to warranty a failure caused by his modifications it is really none of our business what he, or anyone else does to their truck. Sure, we can observe and comment and mock... but let's put away the pitchforks and torches okay? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Yeah, but you know that kind of crap goes on all the time somewhere. I am not saying every dealer does shady things... even a favor here and there is stretching it but illegal is illegal. Changing facts and falsifying mileage is a big no-no! I cant see jeopardizing your job, career or your business just to save a few buck$. Eventually stuff like this will catch up with you! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/readthis.gif

And I was hesitant to create an SSM archive. Between that and your post I just learned a lot about the SJB I was not aware of.

Welcome to the DTS Tim. Sounds like you are getting your ass handed to ya. I do have to ask, don't you think after the 2nd EGR valve the problem might be something different? Think about that. You have verified fuel pressure while driving - GREAT! I would not be overly concerned with 44-45 PSI for the moment. Do you have any DTC's? Let us start there, reconnect everything, clear the DTC's and road test the truck. Rerun KOEO, KOER, Injector electrical self test and go from there.

0838 - 2007-2008 MULITPLE VEHICLES - SMART POWER DISTRIBUTION JUNCTION BOX (SPDJB) CIRCUIT FAULT DISABLE FEATURE THE SMART POWER DISTRIBUTION JUNCTION BOX (SPDJB) IN CERTAIN 2007-2008 VEHICLES HAVE BUILT-IN FUNCTIONALITY TO DISABLE CIRCUITS. IF A CIRCUIT FAULT IS DETECTED, A DTC FOR THE AFFECTED CIRCUIT WILL BE SET IN THE SPDJB AND THE CIRCUIT OUTPUT IS DISABLED UNTIL THE DTC(S) ARE CLEARED AND THE SPDJB PASSES A SELF TEST. IF ELECTRICAL SYMPTOMS ARE PRESENT, PERFORM A SELF-TEST ON THE SPDJB AND CHECK FOR DTC'S. FOLLOW NORMAL SHOP MANUAL DIAGNOSTICS TO ISOLATE AND REPAIR THE AFFECTED CIRCUIT(S). ONCE THE FAULT HAS BEEN REPAIRED, CLEARING THE DTC(S) AND PASSING A SELF-TEST OF THE SPDJB WILL RESTORE OUTPUT ON THE AFFECTED CIRCUIT. NOTE: REPLACEMENT OF THE SPDJB SHOULD NOT BE NECESSARY TO RESTORE FUNCTIONALITY AND SHOULD ONLY BE DONE IF DIRECTED TO DO SO BY SHOP MANUAL DIAGNOSTICS.

Well, getting back to vehicle cleanliness one important thing comes to mind; a clean work area. The slob that works with coolant and oil all over his floor is almost guaranteed to transfer some of that mess to the customers truck. I realize that some jobs are messy and you cant avoid spilling stuff and we are trying to turn some hours to earn a living. Keeping your work area clean is as much a part of the job as showing up on time in the morning, dressed and ready to go. I tend to work on the neat side. I place garbage in the can. I move my drain bucket so the oil and coolant actually makes it in. I put an absorbent pad down on spills as soon as they happen. Boy, I must be a jack-off! If you are fortunate to have a Porter, valet, custodian who takes care of the shop (and I am fortunate) then politely ask the man to run a mop over your bay. We have a concrete "Zamboni" which cleans a bay in a jiffy. I even see coworkers use it themselves. Point is, it's not just the techs, it's the environment and the climate you work in. You have to give a damn!