Keith Browning

The PCM controlls cranking via a relay. It will not crank with the trans disconnected I should think. Does it start with just the fan clutch disconnected?

Heres the deal, it apparently smokes while driving on a cold start and it is fine during the rest of the day. Customer says smokes pretty bad, blue-ish gray then turns gray-white then clears. Also reports a change in the sound of the engine at times. A friend of his with a 2008 doing the same thing, also one of our customers. I mentioned the TSB, I found the engine oil level about 1" high and the coolant level 3/4 of a gallon low so I topped it off, updated the ECM and parked it in the lot for a cold night here in NJ. Will road test it tomorrow and complete the worksheet in the TSB and see what crops up.

Bruce, I would have thought everyone has seen these overviews Ford put out. I thought they were helpful. I could swear there is one more and coincidentally I was going through my printouts of TSB's and things like this... maybe its on my laptop at work. I'll add it if its there...

What is interesting is that most broadband connections look to be 2000kb/s-5000kb/s download which in all honesty is really decent for most web surfing. If you are into gaming, music and movie downloading then the higher speeds up to 30000kb/s are what you want to seek out. I think my connection rocks for what I need it to do, like downloading the back-up files for my web sites. We are talking almost 7-Gigabytes! which takes up to ten minutes to download. I am fine with that for now. What most people don't realize is that you are not connected directly to the Internet but rather a network contained and controlled by your ISP. This is how your speeds can change and vary. For instance, Christmas Eve and Day the Internet from my home was painfully slow because every Yahoo and kid was logged on using email, downloading music for their new iPods and playing their friends across town with their new X-Box. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif Many communications companies like Optimum (my isp) and Verizon FIOS charge extra for the higher speeds. For just $10.00 more I can "boost" up to 300000kb/s which in my case would also come with 5 more email addresses, web site hosting and a bunch of other crap. Even DSL in the hundreds is fine for surfing but is anyone still using dial-up?

Anybody run into intermittent white smoke out the tailpipe? I am reviewing TSB 07-8-9 at the moment and the truck is not in my bay yet...

I beleive that if the truck is still in 3/36 everything is covered from the tank and vent to any injectors that may have been damaged... as per the TSB

That is kick-ass speed! I have the option to upgrade up to 30,000kbs but what I got is plenty fast already. Wow! are you into interactive gaming?

Cool! I have a wrench similar to it but it didn't work for me probably because I didn't bent it quite right. I ended up spot welding the damn nuts to the body. I haven't had a single one loosen since I began heating the bolts prior to removing them... but I have only done two 2008 trucks.

Found a new one. Ford Truck Space

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rockon.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rockon.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rockon.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rockon.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rockon.gif How Ping works. ping is a computer network tool used to test whether a particular host is reachable across an IP network. It works by sending ICMP "echo request" packets to the target host and listening for ICMP "echo response" replies. ping estimates the round-trip time, generally in milliseconds, and records any packet loss, and prints a statistical summary when finished. The word ping is also frequently used as a verb or noun, where it can refer directly to the round-trip time, the act of running a ping program or measuring the round-trip time. You can think of it as "elecronic sonar." How to use Ping. You can use the Ping command to perform several useful Internet network diagnostic tests, such as the following: Access. You can use Ping to see if you can reach another computer. If you can't ping a site at all, but you can ping other sites, then it's a pretty good sign that your Internet network is fine and that site is down. On the other hand, if you can't ping any site, then likely your entire network connection is down -- try rebooting. Time & distance. You can use the Ping command to determine how long it takes to bounce a packet off of another site, which tells you its Internet distance in network terms. For example, a web site hosted on your neighbor's computer next door with a different Internet service provider might go through more routers and be farther away in network distance than a site on the other side of the ocean with a direct connection to the Internet backbone. If a site seems slow, you can compare ping distances to other Internet sites to determine whether it is the site, the network, or your system that is slow. You can also compare ping times to get an idea of which sites have the fastest network access and would be most efficient for downloading, chat, and other applications. Domain IP address. You can use the Ping command to probe either a domain name or an IP address. If you ping a domain name, it helpfully displays the corresponding IP address in the response. You can run the ping command on a Windows computer by opening an MSDOS window and then typing "ping" followed by the domain name or IP address of the computer you wish to ping. You can list the available options for the Windows ping command with "ping -?".

I found this free broadband speed test with servers located all over the world. Compare your results with others and easily share them. An interesting thing to notice is the variations in speed from your ISP in relation to time of the day and day of the week. For example, Christmas Eve and Christmas morning my speeds were choked from everyone on the network being on-line, playing games, emailing pictures and who knows what else. Check it out: Speedtest.net

Wow! A cam sensor? I have broken half a dozen crank sensors but never one of those. I hope the tip isn't damaged from being hit by the timing pin on the camshaft. Bruce's idea is probably the best idea. When I break a crank sensor the guts usually come out with the top of the sensor. I thread a tap into the cup that is left behind and usually that does the trick.

Perhaps it is that something so obvious to most of us is just covered up by others that makes us angry. "I didn't see THAT." "That is not MY job!" "I wasn't told to do that." "Ahhhh fuck it! Nobody will notice." "Tell it to the Union - I have a contract."

Every story, every experience and every post we make here has some value and has the potential to add to the discussion! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/thumbup.gif

I don't know what other techs do but for me an inspection always comes first and if I don't find anything worn with the condition of any seals I do not replace them just for the sake of doing so. The reason? If they are in good condition there is no reason to and warranty does not pay TO REPLACE GOOD PARTS. There may be exceptions for high mileage engines and special service instructions like TSB's and SSM's. BUT! If I find one bad o-ring I will service them all in any given assembly. There are service kits for these engines that will provide new o-rings for the oil rails, block-offs (and stand-pipes I think). Finding your leak on one bank of an engine does not mean the job is done. I would service the other bank whether it is already apart or not. My shop has been bitten a couple of times in the past so this is solid advice. I would love to know why these o-rings degrade and disintegrate on some engines and not others. Rest assured, if you find one seal is damaged, the others will likely show some degradation as well. In these cases, service them all. I'll see if I can dig up those kit numbers when I return to work after the holidays.

Bruce, does this guy suspect fuel contamination? Any mention of odd color or odor? Sediment or solids forming? Some chemicals might be hard to detect with the eyes ears and nose. The only contamination I have seen is engine oil, gasoline and water. Isn't there a testing company that he could ship to? I once came across a 5.0L in an old F-150 that has been sabotaged with sugar. It drove another dealer nuts for a year, they even put an engine in it and when the problems returned it came to my dealer. We were mystified by the driveability problems as well. When I removed the intake I noticed a crusty build-up under the injectors... looked crystal like... yes I tasted it and it was sugar! Point is, I didn't think sugar would easily dissolve in fuel but it did. When the injector sprayed the sugar laden fuel it crystallized in the intake until the injectors were blocked off.

Being snowed-in late February and March gives us time to... well, you know, snuggle up and keep warm. Add 40 weeks gestation and there you are in the maternity ward in December. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crybaby2.gif

I realize this reply is a little late but I think this might have covered your problem? TSB 07-7-7 6.4L - EXHAUST SMOKE FROM FRONT OF VEHICLE - EXHAUST ODOR INSIDE VEHICLE

Eric, welcome to the DTS! If it's heavy black smoke then we might consider checking for a damaged DPF. I know its normal for a whiff of visible black smoke under acceleration but if you have billowing smoke then the DPF is not functioning as designed. I have read several posts of DPFs coming apart or breaking up or leaks somewhere in the exhaust system. Try these topics as well: BLACK SMOKE ON INITIAL ACCELERATION What's Inside a DPF? Exhaust Leak From Low Pressure Turbo Outlet

Are there any codes in the ECM? If the wrench light is on there would have to be unless he notices the light after the stall. Are they draining the water separator when they perform oil changes like many of us do? Perhaps they are letting it drain too long allowing too much air into the system. My shop experienced a few issues concerning the first few fuel filter changes and not purging the air well enough. Its a long shot but these engines seem a little sensitive to air. This truck may just be a little extra sensitive.

First, you are not a dumb parts guy. C'mon. You know what it is Larry. I think you DO GET IT. You just dont BELEIVE IT! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Read what I wrote. I would have replaced the PCM as per the shop manual but because I called the HotLine due to the test not showing on my laptop and I needed help with the last two tests. Since the engineer was already on the phone with me, and despite reading that the repair was to replace the PCM he "stepped-up" and offered the advice to put a pump in it. I figured that "they" would have more insight and experience than I do... right? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/icon_crazy.gif What would you have done? Right. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rotz.gif

Dave, you sure it wasn't because of THIS? Although I have seen mostly F-Series aft axle tanks rust but I have seen three bus tanks do the same. Personally I think its the metal regardless of whats doin with the vent.

In hindsight, I will follow the service manual repair instructions before contemplating someone else's "advice." I think the PP Tests were not too bad actually but if you read this thread from the beginning the problem started with the online manual not displaying properly on my laptop. My Bad I guess but it still frosts my ass that the HotLine decided to change the direction of the repair for no good reason. UPDATE I forgot to report that the truck was fixed by the PCM.

Good point. Remember the EBP sensor recall? We threw ours into a bucket and collected them. If any were needed we still had them and come to think of it, I still do! I was thinking of putting them in a jar and having a contest, you know, like "guess how many jelly beans are in the jar?" This would be the same but with the sensors. I could try it this year and have a contest to win a prize.