Keith Browning

We have pretty much resorted to the smoke wrench for this too. Y-pipes used to be a real tough job for me for some reason. I also take five minutes to put the y-pipe into a bench vice, put the new bolts into the holes, facing down, and I weld them to the y-pipe. Spray the flange and the metal gasket with Permatex Copper-Tack and stick the gasket in place and apply anti seize to the threads. It becomes an aggravation-free one man job where everything stays aligned and no wrenches to hold.

They come right out after warming up! This works on 2008 Super Duty cab bolts too gents! The key is to warm them up and be patient enough to allow the heat to travel to the threaded end of the bolts and soften the loc-tite. With the Econoline you are heating the nut ends and it works quicker. I had a helper inside the van with an impact wrench while I got things hearted up underneath. Now I know how to make a pain in the ass job go smoothly and quickly.

And let us remember that there are some dealers starving for work of have guys standing around after lunch. If they aren't taking the ten minutes it takes to look over a truck and recommend needed services or repairs then they deserve to starve. It its understood that there are customers who only want the recall performed and nothing else. They either do their own servicing, have a trusted mechanic or are one of those people who dispise the dealer for whatever reason. All they can say is no right?

Fixed the leak Larry. Thats all the guy expected which is good because the truck still ran like crap. Old Italian mason - we have quite a few still cruising around in 1980's trucks. I am actually surprised that both are still working.

Hmmm, if you are talking LCF kit pertaining to a recall then that would be for the IPR - the connector and pigtail with a new heat shield. Unfortunately it is not the same thing. The shield that we are looking for slides over the harness which is already wrapped in shielding, but after connecting the harness into the ICP sensor, the shield slides over the connector and the sensor. This added extra protection from heat because of the proximity to the y-pipe and turbocharger. When I get the chance I'll take a pic. Maybe we can put the idea of a sensor/connector/shield kit into one of the suggestion boxes at Ford?!?! Or at least make the shield available.

I thought this sums it up fairly well and is worth posting for anyone to comment on. From Ford Motor Company: Quote: December 10, 2007 To: All Ford and Lincoln Mercury Dealers, Service Managers and Parts Managers Subject: Ford Motor Company Position on Scheduled Maintenance As we launch an unprecedented number of new and refreshed vehicles, we want to reiterate Ford Motor Company's position on scheduled maintenance and its role in retaining customers and promoting satisfaction. This is an essential component of our collective business that requires a clear and consistent message. FCSD is 100% committed to processes and programs intended on bringing the customer back to your Dealership. The most fundamental of which is the 1st Appointment Process at the time of vehicle sale which sets the expectation that customers return for service. In 2007, FCSD launched Owner Advantage to strengthen relationships with owners throughout the vehicle life cycle. To initiate this relationship, Ford sends a highly personalized Welcome Package to all new vehicle customers. The next component is a customer service reminder, Genuine Direct Loyalty, which Ford now funds during the first year. For 2008, we will launch Owner Advantage Rewards; a fully integrated program to provide incentives that further tie customers to your Dealership. These tools set the stage for Dealers to sell customers needed services. While these tools are an important step in developing long term relationships, the experience customers receive when visiting your Dealership is the most critical component. We ask that you consider whether your Dealership is selling needed services or products. Ford believes that services not specifically called out in the Scheduled Maintenance Guide are unnecessary expenses for our customers. The sale of these products or services may affirm the perception held by some customers that Dealership service departments are expensive, with questionable integrity. This is especially true when the service recommendation from the Dealership varies from the message the customer receives from Ford in the Scheduled Maintenance Guide. Here are some examples: MAINTENANCE INTERVALS Promoting maintenance intervals that significantly deviate from what is published in the Scheduled Maintenance Guide may damage credibility and result in lost customers. Ford Motor Company recommends specific maintenance intervals for various parts and component systems based upon extensive engineering and testing. Ford relies upon this testing to determine the most appropriate mileage for replacement of oils and fluids to protect the vehicle at the lowest overall cost to the customer. This includes severe operating conditions that warrant more aggressive maintenance. Customers are also required to ensure that the materials used on their vehicles meet Ford Engineering specifications. AFTERMARKET FILTERS As oil change intervals are extended due to improvements in engine and lubricant technology the use of certain lesser quality aftermarket oil filters may prove costly. Ford has examined many engines that have failed due to poor oil filter performance. Motorcraft® brand oil filters use superior seals, valves, steel cases and significant media material to ensure optimal performance, especially over a longer drain interval. Engine warranty repair costs directly attributed to the use of these filters will not be covered by Ford. CHEMICALS AND ADDITIVES Ford Motor Company recommends against the use of all chemicals or additive products, not identified in the owner guide or unless specifically recommended in publications such as Technical Service Bulletins FLUSHING SERVICES Engine oil system flushing is not a Ford Motor Company approved maintenance procedure and is considered an unnecessary expense. If flushing is required for the transmission, caused by a specific component failure, the Dealer should use only the recommended transmission fluid. Utilizing fluid exchange equipment is acceptable as long as only Ford approved chemicals are used. Fuel injection system flushing is not considered scheduled maintenance by Ford Motor Company. Should the fuel injection system require cleaning to resolve a specific condition, Ford recommends Motorcraft Premium Fuel Injector Cleaner, Motorcraft Pressurized Injector Cleaner or Motorcraft Power Flush Injector Fluid. Additionally, demonstrating to a customer that specific fluids should be changed because their color has changed is a misleading practice. Darkening of many fluids is a normal chemical reaction in most cases. Customer retention and loyalty are more important than ever in today's business environment. We have made great strides in driving more customers back to Dealers for Genuine Service. Let's continue to work together to build long term customer relationships by selling needed services and providing exceptional value. Al Giombetti Executive Director Marketing and Sales Ford Customer Service Division

Take the cab off? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eeeesh.gif

Not many techs get to raise Econoline bodies. This because many are filled with crap or the body bolts are simply not accessible. Many are buses, ambulances or campers. I have had the pleasure of two myself and assisted with a third. I actually think a van is easier than the Super Duties are. The only catch I experienced was the body bolts needed heating to make them loosen and come out.

Larry, have you actually layed eyes on this and does the shield match the description above?

BUMP! Wondering if anyone has solved this issue? Saw a similar post on FMC Dealer...

If the root cause of either code of a software issue, the truck is fine. I do recommend completing the pinpoint tests and verifying the cooling system operation. I did have one out of around ten with bad t-stats

And there it is! Quote: 0501 - 2008 F-SUPER DUTY 6.4L - DIAGNOSTIC TROUBLE CODES (DTC) P0128 AND P0196 SOME 2008 F-SUPER DUTY VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH A 6.4L DIESEL ENGINE MAY EXHIBIT DTC P0128 ENGINE COOLANT THERMOSTAT AND/OR P0196 ENGINE OIL TEMPERATURE SENSOR CIRCUIT. IF NORMAL DIAGNOSTIC PROCEDURES DO NOT RESOLVE VEHICLE CONCERN DO NOT ATTEMPT FURTHER REPAIRS. ENGINEERING IS CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING. MONITOR OASIS FOR UPDATES.

Had one today, same scenario. Talked to the Hotline and they know its an issue and are looking into it. As a matter of fact, look for a new SSM on it tomorrow. For me, the system tested good and no problems with the sensor. Advised to clear the code and release the vehicle, continue to monitor the PTS web site for a TSB with a reflash. By the way, customer uses a block heater AND starts the truck before venturing off in the morning... hasn't been below 25 degrees yet in NJ! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/icon_crazy.gif

Quote: Torq Shift retaining ring anyone? Now I know for a fact that that little doozie was not an engineering blunder. That was caused by the part supplier... but I asked "don't the people at the assembly plant check the parts they are installing?" The reply was "No." I guess it's like not inspecting spark plugs and not setting the gap before installing them. Oooooops! As for the pump gasket and the wire chafing, I have to agree that it it in a way, amazing that with all of the testing, tear downs and inspections that SOMEBODY did not notice the potential for a problem there. Perhaps the luck with previous engines and the under cover wiring for injectors and glow plugs provided a sense of complacency. I have pictures of the same failure. Maybe its the procedures we have to go through to fix this "little oversight" that lites a fire under our asses? On the truck I was having "fuel pump" problems with I was waiting for the pump gasket to come off of back order. It was on backorder because of revisions made to prevent chafing... I hope it warms your hearts to know that! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif Should I post an article with pictures on that too? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shrug.gif

But oddly, this engineer from International had no idea what you were talking about. Interesting. I am glad that you are hearing of things and learning from this forum. Is the round table you mention "the round table" from Ford? ... and thank you for the update on the STC fitting! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/thumbup.gif ... and is this confidential info? I might like to post a quick article on the fitting. This kind of stuff is good for the DTS site and brings attention to to the site. ... and, of course, I would also need Bruce's blessing to use the photo.

As of the date of this reply there are more activation codes available. If you were thinking about updating your MD Truck installation to be able to work on 2008 LCF trucks NOW IS THE TIME TO DOWNLOAD AND INSTALL IT!!!

Just in case you guys are curious, I did remove some words from the censor list but theres still quite a few I insist that you not use. Heres the list: !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$!(.*?) !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$!(.*?) !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$!(.*?) !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$!(.*?) !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! !@#!?$! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif

Hey Jim? Have you noticed that I loosened up the DTS cuss word list a little? I still expect a little decency from you guys though. I just don't think foul language is necessary and doesn't look good on most people. No cussin unless you REALLY MEAN IT! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/readthis.gif

Never saw that but I did once see the address to this web site posted. (not by me) it lasted a day or two before it got yanked. Remember kids, no links allowed!

Do you let any cash work pass you by? I would hope not and the irony of it is that up selling is part of the reason we are so backed up. It is ironic, yes, but if we let the cash work roll back out the door we would be losing a lot of money. Unfortunately, we cannot afford to lose this revenue and we teeter on a hectic balance of getting it done and sucking it up to get the warranty crap completed. The real problem my shop has right now is a shortage of truck/diesel technicians. Of course, we have days when we have to drop everything to take care of some unraveling situation or take care of a good customer. We do what we have to to survive. Fortunately, for me, I can see light at the end of the tunnel with two new hires supposedly coming my way and we can start crankin away again!

I have seen a rash of these over the last year. Since this thread came about I remembered to photograph the most recent truck I worked on and threw together an article to view and share with anyone needing convincing. http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/articles/article-07-07.php

Yeah, thats the one, I think. That is missing a lot of text. I remember printing one out as a guide on my first one. I forgot that FRT has spun-off several new sites and attempted several reincarnations... I thought it was better than that. There was also a guy on the PTS message boards "advertising" his instructions. He's actually a member, I remember inviting him but haven't seen him since... I don't think. There are too many members to remember unless you are an active poster! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif If you guys really need this I'll track him down and ask for it for inclusion here.

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/hahaha.gif "I hope I'm smart enough to get shit-faced and sit in the corner with my mouth shut...." /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif

Did they elaborate on that? Would it be wise for me to call them and see if there is anything I should pay attention to other than removing the rear lift hook after installing the engine to avoid vibrations? At least the charge air cooler has had ample hang time to drain. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rolleyes.gif