Keith Browning

Priceless? No no no no my friend! I can tell you how much they cost me on a daily basis. This club, that club, Girl Scouts, soccer league, bowling, books, games, stuffed animals, dolls... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crybaby2.gif

I thought it was seven years. There might be a possibility that the parts have been updated and have a superseded partnumber... dealers computer system not picking that up??? Just a guess. Did you try another dealer?

Work and recouping from it takes a lot out of me. But MY time is devoted to my family and all the fun and responsibility of having small children. They definitely keep you busy and they WIPE YOU OUT! I obviously devote time to the running these two web sites. I also like to cook especially for family and guests or on race day when I can down a few barley pops. I used to play Bass - started in high school and kept it up for a while playing a couple of bands. I simply don't have the time to dedicate to it but since I still have all my guitars and equipment you never know what the future holds, especially since daughter #1 keeps begging me to play and let her try. I don't think 6-year old hands are quite big enough to handle the task. Yet. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rockon.gif

The Toughbook is good, and tough but like you mentioned it's expensive. I priced them out myself and was shocked at the price especially after I got done specing it out to my liking. I am using a Dell Latitude which works well and it has a MUCH larger screen. It has yet to so much as burp.

More like Charlie Manson. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/whattodo.gif

I have run across some strange people over the years no doubt you have too. Today I crossed paths with a real freak. This is a customer whose van we have worked on before and he dropped it off last Friday taking home a rental truck while his is in the shop. No big deal. Nothing unusual right? The job required some road testing so I pull out of the dealership and proceed on my way as I spot a white F150 across the street with a heavily bearded guy staring at me. I rarely judge anyone by looks but I though his glare was that of a freak. As I reach my first turn I realize the truck is coming down the hill, then I noticed it made the same turn I did. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/scratchhead.gif Okay. Coincidence. I make another turn followed by one more and the truck is still behind me and I am not in a residential are with lots of side streets and I make three left turns around a neighborhood play park making a loop. The guy looked like he wasn't sure what to do as he came to a stop at the beginning of my three turn loop around. He then followed giving me some distance to fly around a bend and dart into the neighborhood. I lost the bastard and snuck back into the shop through the back. I regaled my Service Manager with my experience, we put 2 & 2 together and realized it had to be the customer. The Service Advisor confirmed this after the customer told him he followed me and to have him tell me that his truck blew black smoke when I took off. No shit asshole! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/icon_crazy.gif Diesels do that! what, did he want to chat at a stoplight? Maybe get out and grab some of his tools? In this day and age you just don't do that to people!!! It totally freaked me out and this guy is becoming a problem. Just thought I would share my story.

I have but it's been a while. I used it with WDS before IDS came out. I finally got my manager to get the cable needed to use it with IDS but I have yet to use it other than updating its software. I don't recall any missing PID though.

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Not me. No Sir! I have been screwed by "my mechanic said" or "I was at another dealer and they..." and don't forget the diagnostic service writing. Other than what number fuse you have been replacing all I want to know is the concern and supporting details. Come to me with a customer supplied TSB and watch what happens. It's not that I don't want or need help but most often that kind of help usually isn't helpful at all. If I sound like a snob or I am full of myself, so be it. I have a job to do and my survival depends on it. Back to the topic, I also advocate having the most current calibration installed. Usually there is a good reason for it being updated. Unfortunately there have been negative side effects that come with it in the past. If we seem to have a good one now, the hard part is going to be convincing the long time hard nosed nay-sayers that this is the one.

Jim if the performance degrades over time they might not know just how bad it is. Like the trucks I "clear out the exhaust" on I could replace that injector, cracked y-pipe or clean that EGR valve and eliminate the obvious driveability concern. If I ignore that clogged up feeling and rolled the truck, most of them would probably never know the difference.

I have seen several marginal injectors escape replacement with the new calibrations too. I have also noticed that for the most part, in the last six months or so, trucks leave my bay running really well. Solid smooth idle, decent throttle response and good power. I might attribute this to the current calibrations. I also feel that despite repairing any failed parts or *fixing* the truck many still seem to be missing something. Poor low end response and then that slight holding back feeling on hard acceleration. Some time ago I noted that lengthy or aggressive post repair road tests seemed to wake these trucks up. I also noticed a lot of soot, large black clouds coming from the tailpipe on acceleration. I now, when appropriate, follow repairs on trucks I consider to be loaded up with a good cleaning out. Balk if you wish, this is perfectly safe though I admit it sounds abusive. I am not suggesting you power brake these things and lay 50 foot strips in the parking lot. I warm the truck up to full operating temp, go to the end of the street and hold it just about at WOT for about 10 minutes or more. You need to back off from Full throttle to smooth out the RPM's as the PCM will be limiting RPM. I usually see a lot of white smoke develop and when it looks like its clearing I move on. I'll perform several full throttle accelerations and WOW! You would think its got a Banks set on "fuck the EPA!" Then I either hit the highway in 3rd gear or aggressively drive on the secondary roads to put a load on it and really clear it out. The difference is amazing. I liken this to regeneration of the Catalyst by cooking it up and forcing the carbon out of the exhaust that is plugging it up. In the last couple of weeks I have noticed some of these just slightly breaking the wheels loose in first and second. Thats a good running 6.0l! If it's been running poorly for any length of time, it's probably loaded up.

Good thought and something to remember especially with a new engine and new systems we have no experience with. But even with the possibility of the fuel system dumping fuel into the crankcase I would think that something else is likely to cause a catastrophic failure or at the very least a shut down before the oil level could get high enough to get sucked into the intake. I know. Never say never. It makes sense that the PCM would know how much fuel is being injected for regen and I am sure there would be limits set for this. Now I agree that this designed to protect the engine provided there are no mechanical or injector issues that could allow something to go very wrong but even during normal operation? The only thing we were are told about this is that it happens during the exhaust stroke and that is why I think it would be unlikely that fuel is collecting in the cylinder(s). Right? Wouldn't you think that the exiting exhaust gasses would take all (or nearly all) of that with it on its way out? Sorry guys if I am rambling, I am trying to make sense of this specific action.

I am glad to hear that! From the looks of the picture is really looks like someone got pissed that his truck stopped running, turned on the pump and sprayed the engine down. That would have sucked big time! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/hitthefan.gif And look at me thinking something like that. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

IF that IS what we are thinking it is, that becomes a biohazard and you have the right to have the vehicle removed and cleaned.

Yes, but I forgot to mention it had a bad injector in #5. Since the body came off fairly quick it was well worth it.

Sounds to me like you figured out this guy is full of it. All kinds of strange things happen to these engines but this sounds unlikely to put it kindly. During regeneration, a small amount of fuel is injected during the exhaust stroke as it exits the cylinders. This atomized fuel saturates the exhaust gasses with unburned hydrocarbons that ignite in the catalytic converter and the DPF to create the heat needed to incinerate the collected soot. I am not an engineer but I believe this process uses a very small amount of fuel in relation to what is injected during the power stroke. Given the timing and volume of fuel involved I do not think this process would wash the cylinders and dilute the oil with fuel. What IS possible is that the common rail fuel injection system being inside the engine could leak fuel into the crankcase and "make" oil. There are probably notable symptoms caused by that. This type of failure is possible and has already happened. I recall GregH pulling his hair out on one such concern not too long ago. Any way, you mentioned high crankcase oil levels and the symptoms of that happening and you are correct. At some point the engine would fail to run long before the oil level could possibly get high enough to do what was suggested. There are many other things that would happen long before and as you stated there would be very noticeable symptoms like engine vibration, lack of power and who knows what. Turn your BS meter off before it over heats!

Ain't that a paradox! My frosted side says to stick the screw head back on the drain plug and let someone else find it. My plain side says that if it isn't broken, don't fix it and I do believe that is something we have been told by Ford. No? What if, just what if you pull out all 8 injectors and find not one screw missing... yep Jim, sure sounds like a paradox to me! What ARE you going to do? It came from somewhere right? I do hope you locate the injector under the first valve cover you lift.

Done deal buddy! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/thumbup.gif I uploaded the other 13 and you can see them in our PhotoPost gallery. This one is my favorite

With the exception of the 2008 models, I have done all configurations of cab/body off diesel equipped vehicles. I strongly feel that the two Econolines I did were the easiest of them all. They were, fortunately, empty cargo vans and one was brand spanking new. I don't know why but it just went much smoother and may have been faster the second time around. The tech I just lost did the third Econoline body off for EGR/oil cooler repairs. He did okay with it but that one slowed us down with frozen body mount bolts AND the owner had the cargo area Rhino-lined. I had to use a hole saw to neatly cut around the bolt heads and peel off the rubber. I think repairing a 6.0L in a van is the most aggravating thing and I will do anything to make doing so more tolerable if I can possibly help it. Therefore, I don't mind spending a couple of hours to lift the body.

And now we do too! Thanx, I'll keep the turbo in mind. Dontcha hate it when you lose focus and screw up? I was working on an LCF this morning and completely forgot that you use IDS to diagnose ABS problems, not the IC4 COM like you would for an F650/750. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif What's worse is this is clear as day on the MD Truck launch pad display. Doh! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/boink3.gif

Theres a lawsuit waiting to happen. First totaled truck, injury or death and that box is suspect they will be crawling around that truck like ants. Just mention locking steering gear and... let's not start any trouble but prove the failures are from shock. Please? Unless the product is defective I should think it is tough enough to withstand a beating. What nonsense.

UT-OH! Guess what rolled in the door this morning? And it belongs to the crybaby that cant haul his race car hauler over 80 MPH. New $63,000 truck springs a leak and he's calm as can be. Maybe he finally learned patience traveling the NJ Turnpike at 80 MPH. I'll let ya know how it goes.

We have seen two that would lock up and just as mysteriously, unlock.

I DARE you to make that post on any other Forum - especially The Diesel Stop! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/whistle.gif

Seems to me this is good to know stuff if it's true. I would love to see it documented. Good note on the fuel cooling system too. The only bleeding I recall being warned about was the fuel system after repairs or changing filters. We had one that was not bled before starting. Took a long time to get it purged and running. Probably would have been better to bleed it first. Glad it wasn't me!