Bruce Amacker

WTF? IH sells the updated plug and a video on the proper resealing of the pump and Ford says "do not remove"? IH builds the engine and sells it to Ford? Who knows more about these engines, IH or Ford? I've pulled the ferry plug/edge filters out and cleaned crap from the bore that got in there and caused high ICP/low IPR because of restricting the exit port on the front of the pump. This saved replacing an otherwise good HPOP. Do not remove???

I'm with ya, Jimmy. Not only am I with ya, but I bought a DOC/DPF assy off Ebay (from some flake that put a "test pipe" on, no doubt) and I'm looking for some kind of diesel repower truck to install it on. Screw these assholes running McDonald's "Biodiesel", I'll put together a truck that REALLY is cleaner than anything else like it on the road.

Ditto, and make sure they're testing the PH level with litmus strips. Are the cores OEM? If everything checked out, I'd put a flow restrictor in the hose. Good Luck!

It's a common leak, but I've never seen it drain out and cause a hard start. It only stands to reason that it could.

I agree in your theory, but I feel that the IDM/PCM could be confused and setting the wrong DTC. The circuit has been proven perfect with the overlay and is still setting the code. You've never seen the PCM set the wrong code before?

I tell all of my students to run like hell from these things.....

Yes. They are installed with Loctite at the factory and you should warm them with a heat gun before wrenching them out to prevent yanking the soft threads out with the plug. The threads are commonly damaged, so the replaced plug has longer threads so the pump doesn't have to be replaced when the threads are damaged. Ford doesn't have any of this info in their WSM or TSB's anywhere? I've never seen it. IH has cool videos on DVD on just EXACTLY how to reseal one of these pumps.

Wow, this is a tough one. Some ideas come to mind, and all are far fetched: 1. Ohm out all 8 injector circuits at the IDM plug to verify they all have the same resistance. Perhaps the IDM/PCM is seeing an injector circuit problem but misidentifying the injector it is on. 2. Do you have an amp clamp or low current probe that you can scope these circuits on? I'd compare the waveforms of each injector during the buzz test and idling to determine if one circuit is looking screwier than the rest. 3. A harness problem is an obvious possibility. If there is voltage/RFI/EMI bleeding from one circuit into the #4 circuit, the IDM/PCM could be upset by this voltage and setting a code. I have seen 4 different trucks where the primary wire vinyl insulation became conductive over time and caused REALLY weird symptoms by bleeding voltage from one circuit into another. I was able to positively identify these circuits. This is why sometimes you'll replace a harness that "looks" good but solves the problem. I'd scope all of the injector voltages and look for stray signals. Beware if you do this, the 110VDC or so you're dealing with may be higher than your scope allows and you could need a 10-1 attenuator, which reduces the voltage by 90% so it won't hurt the scope. If I think of something else I'll post it. Good Luck, man.

The ferry plug? IH has an updated plug that has longer threads:

I missed that earlier. Yes, I think your MIL is due to the GP problem, not the IDM/P1298. I've seen plenty of P1298's with no MIL, no running complaints and consider them a ghost code. The updated module is for getting rid of the code...... Good Luck!

Or pull the cover off and see the moisture corrosion inside.

Mike: A know good 7.3 IDM and a known good 6.0 FICM are two tools that are indispensable when working on PSD's. New ones are outrageously priced, and FICMs sometimes work correctly and are changed to get rid of a ghost P1298. Usually there is no MIL when I've seen this in the past. I also have a known good one I could ship you for a loaner if you like. 98/99 E-Van; 99 F-Series built through 4-12-99, Check engine light/DTC P1298: The Check engine light may illuminate on these trucks with a false trouble code P1298 (IDM failure). This may be due to circuit tolerance inside the Injector Driver Module setting the false code if battery voltage is low. Verify battery voltage is greater than 10 volts. Perform all scan tool code retrieval diagnostic tests. If any codes other than P1298 are retrieved, diagnose and repair these first. 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First of all, I don't know squat about a Cummins, but I can make a suggestion on the diag. Does the new sensor also read 85 ohms? Check voltage at both sides of the sensor with it installed and the key on. You should have 5v or 12v VREF on one pin and a return voltage on the other pin. Check and make sure your return voltages are the same. If they are not, change the resistance by adding a resistor in series or parallel with the two pins. In series with the circuit will increase the resistance and lower the return voltage, in parallel across the pins will raise the return voltage. Buy a multi-pack of resistors at Radio Shack. A lifetime worth of resistors (50-100 resistors ranging from 10 ohms to 10 megaohms) for this kind of stuff will set you back $1-3. Good Luck!

You're right, I think it's actually a mishmash of parts. I was thinking DT by the small gear, but the dual outlets definitely says 7.3/T444E. Maybe it's a 7.3 pump with a DT drive gear. That's the only cutaway I have that I didn't build myself personally.

You mean like dis? This is actually a DT530 HPOP, similar to a 7.3 and early 6.0.

Ray: After you put up the picture, there's a button to push near the bottom of the page that copies the picture link to your clipboard, which makes it easy to paste into your post like this: Use a 1/2" inch turnbuckle nut and a 1 3/4" long 1/2"x13 bolt to get extra travel from tool to compress valve spring. Simply remove thumb screw and use this adapter. Good Luck!

The smoke is from misfire, obviously. What are your PERDEL readings when warm? It probably should have gotten 8 injectors. Patching old trucks usually doesn't pay off. Good Luck!

I saw that too, Jim. I first noticed it on an Edge that I had in for a PDI and wondered why, if the coolant was so special, did they not put a warning label on the cap or overflow bottle stating as much, and oh, I don't know, THE COLOUR IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, MAYBE!!!!! Duh. Brain fart from the top. Same as the gold coolant, no-one who isn't in the know like us techs seems to put the right colour back in if they flush or add coolant. Why do they need 4 completely different and incompatible coolants in Fords anyhow? It has to do with the different alloys of aluminum used. Each coolant is only compatible with some alloys, but not all alloys. The engineers specify many different alloys depending on the usage, temp range, stress, etc. of the part in question. If they can use a freaky new head alloy that lets them cut 10% from the weight of the casting, you bet they will, even if it requires a new coolant. The aftermarket sells a long-life coolant that is supposed to be compatible with all systems. What would be wrong with using that? The aftermarket companies that state their product is compatible with all engines are simply lying. No one in the aftermarket has the deep pockets or balls to sue these companies, which have large legal departments to fend off small peons such as you and me. Believe me, it isn't true. Those universal coolants are NOT compatible with every engine on the planet and nobody has challenged them in court on it (yet). You think you have it bad- the Euro car guys have it even worse.....

From my book: Weatherhead 7897 is the adapter fitting to check the HP oil with a gauge at the head ports. Normal bias is ± 10%. Thread is ½” NF with an o-ring, also known as 5/16” inverted male thread. You will need to supply a gasket for the bottom of the fitting, a metal rimmed drain plug gasket works well. I'm assuming it's a no-start, you're watching ICPV which is starting very close to .20v and not rising much, and the supply reservoir is full. Pull the fittings out of the heads and block off one hose end at a time and try to start it. You can also apply air to the head port and listen for air leaks. If it acts the same with each side blocked off, it's not getting HP oil, like the IPR or HPOP is bad. Does this help?

You laying on the floor again, like a dog? There's a new invention out you ought to look into, called a CREEPER.....

That was my favorite though the amazing hill climb is impressive. I don't see it but I think I've seen it before. Does it include big jugs?

It's your birthday and they give you an E-van 6.0? Happy fucking birthday.........!

Probably a good thing as far as Fords go. I'm pretty sure the front aluminum adapter housing is different on an IH chassis. I remember being able to get everything from IH for this except the front adapter housing and gasket (which is also Ford captive, IIRC). I've got some used ones, too, but I'm not sure if they're any good. Sidebar- one of the parts guys I called this morning to check the F81Z-6881-BA PN didn't even let me get the PN out of my mouth. As soon as I said F81Z, he blurted out the rest of the number. He was obviously miffed at how many (DTS) people were calling all at the same time for the same PN. He's probably wondering WTF was going on.... Good Luck!

PartsVoice showed 3 stocking dealers, but I called them and all are showing zero. One said he had three calls this morning on it alone- DTS members? Good luck..... Edit: Were were running the same number and calling them at the same time.