I agree with both Keith and mrbudge. There are "techs" out there that I would not want working on my lawnmower,let alone a vehicle. I use ASE as a starting point in the hire process and try to feel them out in an interview. I am very upfront with all candidates - I'm an anal a**hole that truly believes in fixing it right the first time. In the EMS business, there is just too much to lose by hacking and cobbing. If it ever came to that,id hang up the wrenches for good. I enjoy the continuing education i get from STARS and anywhere else I can get it. Just wish I had access to the classroom time you Ford guys get.